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  •  I eat only plants and sea-animals which do not (1+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101

    enough common ancestry for me to empathize with them...
    I would be a total vegan but for the need for protein, not to be met with red beans and rice...

    •  That's nice for you. (2+ / 0-)
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      richardvjohnson, PavePusher

      You've made a choice that works for you, based on your moral values.

      It's the next step you take in your original comment that is the problem. What makes you think you have the right to impose your choices and your moral values upon the whole of society?

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:49:28 PM PST

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      •  I do not try to impose moral values (1+ / 0-)
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        lyvwyr101

        on the immoral, only that I hope they don't shoot me with their allegedly legal firearms ;)

        •  And yet, you want to ban... (1+ / 0-)
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          PavePusher

          ...all private firearms ownership, including for hunting, because you see it as "morally indefensible" and don't see the need for it.

          Those who do hunt for food (or to protect their food, like those who keep guns to shoot coyotes or varmints who threaten their flocks or stores) are invisible to you, so you seek to impose your own opposition to hunting for sport as "morally indefensible" upon everyone by banning the firearms they use.

          So you are, in fact, advocating to impose your moral values on others.

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:49:59 PM PST

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          •  now honestly how many people do you personally (1+ / 0-)
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            lyvwyr101

            know who shoot varmints to protect their flocks?  Desusional, yes?  Anyway, adios, vaya con Dios!

            •  Read a few threads on this topic... (1+ / 0-)
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              PavePusher

              ...and you'll inevitably see responses from people who live in rural areas, who keep goats, chickens, or other livestock and who keep a gun around in case a coyote or other predator comes calling.

              The fact that you are incapable of even envisioning a situation where one might want a firearm to hunt nuisance animals or predators, as if such a situation is completely unthinkable in your view of the country and those who believe such situations actually exist are "delusional," indicates that you're really out of touch with the rural lifestyle of many Americans—and seeking to impose your own set of values on their lives without any consideration of their lifestyles.

              "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

              by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:04:11 PM PST

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        •  Wow. That was a fucked up comment. n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  Nice to meet you, M. Hypocrite.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ER Doc

          Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
          Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

          by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:31:19 AM PST

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    •  you admit you have insufficient 'moral value' then (1+ / 0-)
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      ER Doc

      ...at least by the "rules" you lay out here:  hand off if you're related, but the more distant the relation, the less compassion and empathy, and the decline of concern about how you treat them becomes completely valid.

      Morally speaking...exactly the kind of comfortable falsehood that stopped my vegan experiment.

      Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
      Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

      by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:35:52 AM PST

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