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  •  Just like a wishy-washy liberal (2+ / 0-)
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    Nada Lemming, elwior

    You are badly losing a class war and yet you still deny that class even exists.

    ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

    by gjohnsit on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:51:44 PM PST

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    •  I'm not at war (0+ / 0-)

      so I'm not losing a thing. The quasi-Marxist view of these things, though, has already lost its wars. How quickly they forget.

      •  Quaisi-marxist, Gracie? (0+ / 0-)

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:35:02 PM PST

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      •  You are right (0+ / 0-)

        You aren't at war.
           But the ruling financial class is.

        Just because the communists lost their battle doesn't mean the war is over. It only means the working class are in for another round of being beaten.

          That includes you.

        ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

        by gjohnsit on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 05:23:13 AM PST

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        •  Ruling Financial Class (0+ / 0-)

          You take it that there is a (conscious?) attempt on the part of something called a 'financial class' to harm and permanently control the 'working class.' Instead, there are, and always will be, opposed interests. When their opposition takes place inside of an open political system, that might be a struggle or a clash, but not a war—a concept which both suggests extreme malice and satisfaction only in victory of one side.

          In any case, knowing that there would always be such opposition between rich and poor, our founders designed a setup to insure permanent stalemate. Both sides find their 'druthers limited by the ballot, enumerated rights, and access to impartial courts. They also saw clearly that in practice this would function in pendulum fashion, with each side inevitably gaining temporary advantage. You can read all about that in the Federalist and see it analyzed in Tocqueville.

          In the end, there are multiple classes with multiple interests and nothing that really deserves the term "ruling class," financial or otherwise. The mistaken notion that there is such a class is what I called "quasi-Marxist," and is a notion that has already been consigned to the dustbin of intellectual history (even if the word has not yet spread to everyone, it appears).

          •  You couldn't be more wrong (0+ / 0-)

            First of all our founding fathers did no such thing. Our founding fathers wanted large, propertied landholders to run the country. This is common knowledge and common practice in those days.

             Secondly, that you think that a ruling class "has already been consigned to the dustbin of intellectual history", and that only Marxists believed in such a thing, only shows that you don't know as much as you think you do about economic theory.

            ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

            by gjohnsit on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:03:26 AM PST

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            •  I could be more wrong (0+ / 0-)

              I could have written what you did. Again, I would suggest reading two things you would seem to have not—the Federalist Papers and Tocqueville's Democracy in America.

              What you imagine as "common knowledge" is a mistaken notion based on (probably) having accidentally swallowed a large dose of Howard Zinn. Treatment (as above) is indicated.

              If you had read more carefully, you would have noticed that I did not ascribe the ruling class notion to "only Marxists;" that would explain the use of the words "quasi-Marxist." I probably don't know as much as I should about economic theory, but I teach the history of political philosophy and like to believe I know something about the topic. I will stand by what I wrote in my previous post.

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