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  •  There are times when common purpose isn't (2+ / 0-)
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    attainable.  It was apparent as the teahadists physically disrupted town hall meetings from coast to coast in summer '09 that this time is one of them.  Of the mulitiple failures of the past 4 years, the failure to acknowledge that reality when it so visibly manifested itself was among the biggest.

    I still shake my head in disbelief when I read this exchange in a 12/10 press conference:

    Mr. President, thank you. How do these negotiations affect negotiations or talks with Republicans about raising the debt limit? Because it would seem that they have a significant amount of leverage over the White House now, going in. Was there ever any attempt by the White House to include raising the debt limit as a part of this package?

    THE PRESIDENT: When you say it would seem they’ll have a significant amount of leverage over the White House, what do you mean?

    Q Just in the sense that they’ll say essentially we’re not going to raise the — we’re not going to agree to it unless the White House is able to or willing to agree to significant spending cuts across the board that probably go deeper and further than what you’re willing to do. I mean, what leverage would you have –

    THE PRESIDENT: Look, here’s my expectation — and I’ll take John Boehner at his word — that nobody, Democrat or Republican, is willing to see the full faith and credit of the United States government collapse, that that would not be a good thing to happen. And so I think that there will be significant discussions about the debt limit vote. That’s something that nobody ever likes to vote on. But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower.

    One could, I guess, in theory, take Boehner at his word then.  Looking at his incoming caucus, however, should've raised serious questions, and looking at the likes of Cantor, Ryan, et al should've raised even more serious questions.  Perhaps it wasn't known then that Limbaugh would end up vetting budget deal proposals the following year.  Regardless, not raising debt ceiling as a part of any deal extending W's tax cuts was an epic mistake that exemplifies much of what went wrong.

    Your McCain comment above further illustrates the problem.  As you note, his presidency would've been a disaster.  McCain, however, is far better than your average member of his party.   Compared to the rest of the GOP Senate caucus (forget about the GOP House caucus), he looks halfway decent.

    The GOP is the party of 9/9/9, of birthers, of death panels, of fiscal brinkmanship, and of climate denial.  It is no more possible to find common ground w/ them than it was to find common ground w/ the segregationists 50 years ago.  It's beyond time to accept that self-evident truth and to act accordingly.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:49:31 AM PST

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    •  Hopes and dreams for me have faded with realizatio (1+ / 0-)
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      Realization that Obama has no desire to address the two-tiered justice system that is now structural in America.  Obama put himself between allowing the administration of the law to be pursued with respect to torture, bank fraud, mortgage fraud, money laundering, the BP spill, etc., going so far as to discourage and undercut even states that would attempt to follow the laws in place.

      You know this.  Peaceful protesters exercising the constitutional rights, under Obama, have been categorized as domestic terrorists.  Lawful protesters have been beaten, abused and spent more time in jail than any of the Wall Street criminals who have stolen billions, illegally foreclosed on hundreds of thousands of homes, ruined the economy and wiped out the economic future of millions.

      Preventing the law from being applied to these favored individuals means that America, as an idea, is rotten at its core.  By electing to protect the moneyed criminals and corporations Obama, whose Executive Branch fully controls the execution of the application of law, has, in fact, given the green light to these crimes, whatever may or may not be in his heart.

      I predict this will get no mention in today's address.

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