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  •  Knowledge about guns does not equal love (2+ / 0-)
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    CoolOnion, DefendOurConstitution

    Thanks, diarist. I just expressed a similar sentiment on another diary. Those who urge gun control advocates to learn more about guns and even learn to shoot just don't seem to get that some/many people have NO interest in guns at all, and have only had negative experiences with them. I remember hearing gun shots in my neighborhood growing up all the time. We never owned a gun and were never in need of one. But there was plenty of violence around us that I still remember, including the pained wail of a man who was shot in front of my house. For me guns are just tools for violence and destruction. (And I did/do have hunters in my family.)

    Why not a conversation about how to protect the home with home alarms? Better locks? Cameras? Lights? Neighborhood watch?

    From what I've read on the FBI website, home invasions are rare.

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:34:20 PM PST

    •  A serious question (2+ / 0-)
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      Noddy, andalusi

      I am often snarky and sarcastic in my diaries and comments, but I would like to ask you a question in all seriousness.

      For me guns are just tools for violence and destruction
      The question is "does how other people view guns matter to you?". As someone who has put "liberal" in their username, does the idea that other people, people who are not criminals, who have never done violence to another person, many of whom are Democrats who agree with most of your other liberal values, that these people might view guns differently carry any weight with you?

      As a liberal, can you look outside your own viewpoint and accept that someone else's beliefs, while disagreeable to you, are nonetheless valid?

      I can have no interest in homosexuality, yet still support equal rights and have zero fear that "gays will corrupt our children". I do not do drugs, but I can support legalization of marijuana without worrying about "reefer madness". I will never need an abortion, yet be pro-choice without being afraid of whatever the hell conservatives are afraid about with abortion.

      So why is it that so many otherwise level-headed liberals cannot support people owning a gun, but instead go into fits of hyperbolic fear over them?

      •  Because some of us have had to look down (2+ / 0-)
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        CoolOnion, DefendOurConstitution

        the ugly hole. And some of us have lost loved ones. The easy availability of guns has made all of us less safe, including the gun owners, but especially those of us that avoid guns.
        How do you describe guns? If not a tool for killing, what is it? A toy for poking holes in things? A penis replacement? A fetish object? An investment?

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:03:27 PM PST

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        •  Have you considered (0+ / 0-)

          Family heirloom?
          I have my grandfather's hunting rifle. I have my father's first rifle, which in turn was my first rifle, and which will someday be one of my descendants' first rifle.

          Tradition?
          My father was too young to fight in WW2, but as a child he helped put meat on the table (squirrel meat) while grand-dad was away at the shipyards and my uncles were off in the Pacific Theater. Even today, in the economically depressed area where I live, hunting to put meat on the table is useful when jobs are hard to find.

          Way of life?
          I hunt deer, not for sport, but because I think it is more ethical than eating something deliberately raised for slaughter and sold on sterile styrofoam trays at the local market.

          I'm sad that my toy-investment-penis-replacements make you delicate-flower types so afraid that you feel the government has to step in and control me.

          Have you ever considered the irony that gun control is going to be enforced by people like this:

          August 25, 2012
          New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an outspoken opponent of gun rights, admitted that some of the nine bystanders who were shot may have been hit by shots fired by police. It now turns out that all nine victims were struck by bullets fired by police.

          I suppose if private gun ownership makes you feel less safe, then imagining a world where the only guns are in hands like these lets you sleep like a baby.

      •  Give me a BREAK! (2+ / 0-)
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        CoolOnion, DefendOurConstitution

        Gun owners have gotten the lion's share of what they wanted for years -- concealed carry laws, guns available on the internet, the gun-show loophole.

        My point is that I don't have to know everything about guns to have a legitimate opinion on gun control. And I will NOT allow gun owners to talk down to me or try to intimidate me into silence about that.

        You assume that I don't support your right to own a gun. I, and many other gun control advocates, do support that right. I just don't support the types of guns that allow people to mow down children in a matter of minutes, filling some of their bodies with as many as 11 f**cking bullets!! That's too far. You don't need that to defend your home, to hunt, to uphold tradition, to feed yourself.

        Gun owners have run roughshod over gun control advocates for decades. It's time for balance.

        The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

        by LiberalLady on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:48:17 PM PST

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        •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

          For answering my question of "can you accept that someone else's beliefs, while disagreeable to you, are nonetheless valid?"

          Your answer is more than clear, as is the extent to which you value and understand the term "liberal" in "LiberalLady".

        •  A real "thank you" from me (1+ / 0-)
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          DefendOurConstitution

          Any one of those accidental shooters celebration "gun appreciation day" could have written the diary I referenced, and the gun lobbyists never come forward with any sense of responsibility for mass shootings or irresponsible gun ownership of any kind.

          It's long past time for us to come forward and demand some sensible gun control in this country, putting the "well regulated" back into their coveted 2nd amendment.

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