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  •  perhaps we could have a panel on (2+ / 0-)
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    "across the divide" - or a more intimate gathering of the oldest and youngest mong us to talk about how the political environment has evolved AND how we can combine our knowledge to be more effective in obtaining our common goals.

    the attacks between generations on the site hinder our moving forward on things we both hold in common.

    •  edrie, I'm sorry if I'm missing something, (1+ / 0-)
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      but could you please explain how you see this as being specifically related to KosAbility issues? I can see a connection but I'm not sure that it would be the one you'd have in mind.

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      by peregrine kate on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:12:26 PM PST

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      •  my second post below - i missed the kosability (2+ / 0-)
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        part - mea culpa!  must be the one-handed typing is spilling into one eye reading....

        at least, i am hopeful my one-handed typing isn't permanent.  some setbacks with my joint replacement surgery - will know better this week.

        sigh

    •  i realize this is a kosability diary - but, imho, (3+ / 0-)
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      peregrine kate, Chacounne, Noddy

      aging is definitely a consideration.  like horace said - availability to sit is very important... iam definitely not as young as i think i am ...

      •  Yes, I agree, considerations of aging (3+ / 0-)
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        skohayes, Chacounne, Noddy

        are important and relevant for KosAbility folks, no question. Access, comfort, accommodations in all kinds of areas (including simply scheduling, but many more as well).
        Can you say more about the kind of format you envision, and the sort of dialogue you'd want to see happen?

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        by peregrine kate on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:19:07 PM PST

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        •  for one thing - maybe all disability could be in (3+ / 0-)
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          closer to the "facilities" (bathrooms)... AND, perhaps around the site, we ould gently remind folks those bigger stalls are not to brig a feeling of home bathrooms - but are there for folks who need handrails, taller toilets (back issues), wheelchair and walker issues.

          sometimes people seem to forget.  i know personally someone who liked to use the "bigger" room and when she heard the clumb of an elderly woman with a walker, she lauhingly tells of getting very quiet until the disabled woman finally gave up and left.  why? because she didn't want to be "caught".

          handicapped stalls are critical for the disabled - especially for those with colitis, damaged kidneys, etc,

          now i'm not saying any of us would behave so horribly rudely as the woman i mentioned, but a reminder would be nice to thosewho don't stop to think....which is what i think i just did.

          my issue was a broken back - without the handrail and the higher toilet, i couldn't get down OR up for over six months.

          •  disability SEATING... duh ... and to the exits (3+ / 0-)
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            peregrine kate, Chacounne, Noddy

            nearer to the seating area.

          •  Good suggestions, for sure. (3+ / 0-)
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            Chacounne, Noddy, edrie

            Yeow, that's a painful story to hear--and for someone to brag about it? Very strange.
            I'm glad your back has healed (assuming it has?); what a challenge that must have been.
            Maybe we can work on a list of Courtesy Tips for inclusion/distribution somewhere, too.

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            by peregrine kate on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:47:21 PM PST

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            •  love it! courtesy tips - are an excellent idea - (1+ / 0-)
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              an emergency plan to assist our less mobile members in case of an emergency (like quake, fire, etc).  

              a flight attendent friend years ago made the observation that when going into a new hotel, count the number of doors between your room and a fire exit - in thick smoke, you won't see but you can remember a number!

              also, leaving key on nightstand where you can grab it if you go into hall in a fire so that you aren't locked out of your room in case of a smoke filled environment.

              safety tips for all, but especially for those with different abilities!

              san jose is quake country - having "buddy" systems in place would be a good idea!

              let's kick this around a bit!  maybe a diary with folks chipping in suggestions on how to make things better logistically.  if we have a block of rooms reserved, making sure the handicapped ones are also available.  most hotels now have special handicapped rooms with easier access to showers (wheelchair accessible) and handrails and more.

              •  Really good start on a list. (0+ / 0-)

                It looks like we're onto something here :)
                The handicapped-accessible hotel rooms are crucial for us, we've found. That's something to investigate right away.

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                by peregrine kate on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:05:58 PM PST

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          •  I'll use the disabled stall (4+ / 0-)

            if all the other ones are occupied -- occasionally I'll use it just because the other stalls are a bit too constricted for a "person of size" especially if I have a lot of packages with me. But I always try to get done as quick as possible so I'm not holding up anyone else -- and if there's a disabled person (or a parent with young child -- sometimes they need the extra space as well) in line I'll let them go ahead of me.

            "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

            by Cali Scribe on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:57:42 PM PST

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            •  i understand the size issue - the stalls are way (1+ / 0-)
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              too small for the real world we live in.

              parents with children, however, are not my favorite people.  they rush into the handicapped stall, take their time while all the kids pee or they beg one to poop - all the while a disabled person stands outside with no other option.

              i respect the mom's who send their children to the regular stall and stand outside the door.  they are teaching their kids to respect disabilities...

              •  Having "family" restrooms is an advance (2+ / 0-)
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                edrie, Cali Scribe

                in this regard. I've even seen a few with a full-sized adult toilet and a child-sized, child-placed toilet in the same stall.

                Some DKos series & groups worth your while: Black Kos, Native American Netroots, KosAbility, Monday Night Cancer Club. If you'd like to join the Motor City Kossacks, send me a Kosmail.

                by peregrine kate on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:31:38 PM PST

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                •  i love ikea - they were one of the originators of (1+ / 0-)
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                  these - it is so great because dads can go with their little girls and moms - their boys!

                •  Family restrooms are also great (1+ / 0-)
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                  for people with disabilities who have assistants who are a different gender -- when my mother-in-law was still able to stand enough to transfer to a toilet in the disabled stall, she still needed the help of both myself and Mark (Mr. Scribe, her eldest son). Even with her in the wheelchair, we still got some strange looks when we'd bring her out of the stall in some stores and he'd be standing there while she washed her hands.

                  "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

                  by Cali Scribe on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:49:16 PM PST

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