Skip to main content

View Diary: Guns and Political Reality (102 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  somewhere between (7+ / 0-)

    a quarter and a third (depending on age and location) of all Democrats own guns, rising to over half in rural areas.  If you want to do to the Democratic Party what the Tea Party has done to the Republicans I can think of no better way than:

    "Hi, I'm from the Democrtic Party and I'm here to take your guns . . ."

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:54:51 PM PST

    [ Parent ]

    •  True (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Lost and Found, reflectionsv37

      Good thing that Obama is not proposing a ban on ALL GUNS.  

      There are reasonable arguments that this is a bad move politically for the dems, I'm just saying that the arguments and stats in this diary aren't those reasons.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:56:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Obama isn't . . . (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        annecros, FrankRose, BlackSheep1, theboz

        but quite a few here on dKOS are.  And the "optics" of that are exactly what the opponents of any gun control will play to . . .

        "Don't kid yourself, they are not going to stop at Czechoslovacia . . . it will be Poland next."

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:04:55 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Also true (3+ / 0-)

          But again, not what the diary is about.  Here is the opening to the diary

          So how do the American people respond to mass shootings of innocents? How do they want their elected representatives to respond?

          There are those that would argue that the tragic, and they were heartrendingly tragic, events in Newtown last month would be the last straw for the American people. They would finally lay down their arms, "and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. "

          The American people do one thing that is incontrovertible as a result of mass shootings. They arm themselves.

          The argument is about the American people, not DKos users...and the argument is that the American people arm themselves--none of which is really demonstrated in the diary.

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:13:01 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You didn't click (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Deward Hastings, FrankRose

            through and read the background data?

            When people buy guns they aren't arming themselves?

            I'm guessing that's news to them.

            •  No, I did just that (2+ / 0-)

              to links that specified that a majority of americans want the AWB to pass.

              "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

              by Empty Vessel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:20:18 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  What (0+ / 0-)

                about the government data and studies on gun ownership? The background check analysis?

                Or would you just rather not know?

                That's cool with me, if ya wanna be that way.

                •  I do know (2+ / 0-)

                  and what I know, is that those numbers have absofuckinglutley nothing to do with whether the majority of people in this nation do or do not favor passing an Assault Weapons Ban.

                  The statement that some people have gone out and bought guns in the face of the proposed restriction does not mean that the majority of people (or even the majority of gun owners) oppose the AWB.  

                  Let me just ask a simple question...what proportion of americans went out and bought an assault weapon since Sandy hook?  If you can't answer that question, then your analysis provides absolutely no support for the idea that American People oppose the AWB en masse.

                  "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

                  by Empty Vessel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:33:21 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Nobody can answer (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Deward Hastings, FrankRose

                    that question, silly. You can't answer that question either. I acknowledged that in the diary, because 40% of guns are sold without a background check.

                     Anecdotal information certainly supports that quite a few have been sold, considering that assault rifles and high capacity magazines are reportedly selling out and on back order all over the country.

                    The American people oppose anything that makes their weapon illegal. Any elected official that attempts to make their weapon illegal can pretty much kiss reelection goodbye.

                    The question the diary puts out there for discussion, is what political price are we willing to pay for gun control as a party?

                    You don't seem to want to consider the implications.

                    •  I am gonna scream (0+ / 0-)

                      WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...ALL OF THEM...SOME OF THEM...A FEW OF THEM!!!!

                      you keep talking about the "American People" oppose anything that makes their weapon illegal.  But that has fuck-all to do with whether or not they think assault weapons should be illegal.

                       As a simple matter of fact, we know that some, in fact a majority, are good with restricting Assault Weapons.  We know this because the links that you provided go to surveys of the AMERICAN PEOPLE and over 50% say they support an AWB.

                      What have you got that contradicts that? Cause it sure as hell ain't anything in the background check data, cause as you say..."nobody can answer that question, silly."

                      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

                      by Empty Vessel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:52:34 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

          •  when four million people (4+ / 0-)

            buy guns (I'm just guessing that) some of them are Democrats.  And (I'm just guessing) they don't want them taken away.  And they're not going to look with great favor on any politician who proposes taking them away.  Or even hints at it.

            Of course if that same politician proposes a scheme that's perceived as aimed at taking guns away from "the bad guys" they'll be all over him.  It's to defend themselves against the "bad guys" that they are buying the guns in the first place (and they'd rather the government do that . . . they just don't believe that it will).

            Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

            by Deward Hastings on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:28:52 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  a percentage of a percentage (0+ / 0-)

              dems who bought guns and of those that bought assault weapons...and most importantly.  If I remember correctly...all guns currently owned would be grandfathered.

              So, literally, no guns will be taken away by the legislation proposed by Obama and Feinstein.

              Feinstein said Tuesday members of her staff and rewriting the old bill, which expired in 2004.

              "We ban about 100 weapons by names and we also reduce the physical characteristic test to one," she said. "We grandfather existing weapons."

              "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

              by Empty Vessel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:40:13 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  Thank you! (0+ / 0-)

              Somebody gets it.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

  • Recommended (152)
  • Community (77)
  • Bernie Sanders (50)
  • Elections (45)
  • 2016 (41)
  • Climate Change (35)
  • Environment (34)
  • Hillary Clinton (33)
  • Culture (32)
  • Civil Rights (29)
  • Science (29)
  • Republicans (28)
  • Media (27)
  • Barack Obama (24)
  • Labor (23)
  • Law (23)
  • Spam (22)
  • Education (19)
  • Trans-Pacific Partnership (19)
  • Congress (18)
  • Click here for the mobile view of the site