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  •  The focus is on violence (12+ / 0-)

    prone entities, not the wider conservative movement. Its a reasonable focus.

    It should be noted however, he is an Israeli expert on Muslim terrorism, which has been the focus of his work. He brings an analytical framework from the world of terror assessment, not of expertise about the American right.  This shows in his discussion of anti-abortion violence, (about which I have written a great deal, here and here, for example), which I thought was not nearly as well informed as his discussions of the militia and white supremacist groups.

    •  I'd want to know the "Gateway Drug" (2+ / 0-)
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      entities that lead to extremist fringe groups.

      Also to extremist delusions, period.

      Do It Yourself delusions get individuals diagnosed as paranoids. There's no shortage of that.

      Manufactured delusions affect far more individuals. Watch Fox News any 15 minute stretch.

      What are the routes to violence ???

      What does a probabilistic State Machine look like for individual transitions between these nodes ?

      We do this type of work for product marketing, for purchasing transitions. Why not politics and Far Right beliefs and violence ?

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:06:23 PM PST

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      •  the simplest answer (3+ / 0-)
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        is that people are not products.  After that, we have to acknowledge that there is no one answer.

        •  Far Right delusions are the products. (0+ / 0-)

          Typical fantasy: people need guns 1,000,000 times a year in America to ward off home-invaders.

          Tracking "consumers" as they traverse through "nodes" of Far Right propaganda memes -- that ought to be doable.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:51:35 AM PST

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          •  well, in a totalitarian state (1+ / 0-)
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            it might be possible. But those of us who have done research on the various elements of the far right can tell you that these things do not come as easily as you seem to think.

            •  Really ??? Nobody has done this? (0+ / 0-)

              We don't need a database like NSA.

              We don't need the whole planet.

              The big pay-off is figuring out where the entry points are. Which propaganda campaigns from which organizations have the highest recruitment yields.

              Traversal ratios are simple enough. I'm amazed at what you say. That a standard Ad Biz technique is thought to be inapplicable.

              Defining "nodes" and service "queues" for propaganda products is work, but not particularly difficult.

              If this State Machine has nodes for 100 organizations, plus service "queues" for each node's 20 most popular propaganda memes, then we should be able to see what is happening.

              Works for selling soap.

              "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

              by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:08:38 PM PST

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    •  I thought at the time that Ronald Reagan's (1+ / 0-)
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      non-response to abortion clinic violence gave tacit approval to the escalation of right-wing terrorism. I think the anti-abortion movement gives a kind of twisted eye-for-eye cover to many right-wing instances of violence. People often fall back on the liberals are baby killers meme.

      Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. Marx

      by Marihilda on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:09:45 AM PST

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