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  •  When the citizens of Great Britain, (5+ / 0-)

    through their Parliament, vote one party out of power and place a different party in control, it is said that they have established a new government. I don't have any knowledge of how long this term has been in use, but it's evidence that, in actual usage, a new government does not necessarily mean a new constitution (with a lowercase "c'".)

    Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

    by Nowhere Man on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:41:38 PM PST

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    •  This is where the argument about tyranny and the (9+ / 0-)

      Second Amendment hinges.  In a democracy like ours, Great Britain or any of the others, is it even possible to claim that tyranny exists when people still have the right to vote, and there are other checks on the system.  Citizens can recall an elected official, the President can be impeached, etc.

      It's like everything is being turned inside out and upside down.

      Even though it was a democratic election, if I disagree with the result, I'm not going to respect the will of the majority and I won't accept the result. The minority believes it can prevail over the majority by force.  That used to be the definition of tyranny but now it isn't.  Instead, if my party loses an election and I disagree with their policies, we'll call that tyranny, even though there was a legitimate election.

      It's all backasswards.

      "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

      by leftreborn on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:52:48 PM PST

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      •  I seem to recall that (1+ / 0-)
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        the old Soviet Union (and its vassal states) held regular elections, the proletariat enjoyed the right to vote. Sometimes with restrictions based on ethnicity, language, sex, class, etc., but we've seen some of that here too.

        Deal was that it didn't matter how anyone voted because all the candidates were duly approved aparachniks of the Communist Party. We have two powerful political parties in this country (and several very minor, not powerful parties). The two primes differ radically in rhetoric and the 'vision' they're selling, but not in substance because they are both wholly owned subsidiaries of the economic oligarchy that actually calls the socio-political shots.

        "Freedom" can also be an empty word in modern usage. So long as you are inclined to do what The Powers That Be [TPTB] want you to do, you are 'free' to do anything you like. It's only when you try to do something TPTB don't want you to do that you may find yourself stripped of 'freedoms' altogether.

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          our system to the Soviet Union too.  And I heard that the Ds and Rs are the same when I was in France during the 1970s.  It's not new to me.  

          To say the Ds and Rs are the same today is like saying an AR15 is the same as an AK47.  They're not the same and it comes down to whether anyone wants to know the difference.

          Look at Paul Ryan's Budget and President Obama's budget line by line and tell me they're the same.  They're far apart.  If the Ds and Rs were the same, why would the Rs filibuster 252 times in four years?  If their policies are the same, why can't they agree on anything?  I look at granular details and I see differences.

          The Republicans front for a privileged few.  The Second Amendment is part of their agenda.  The so-called guardians against tyranny would only be paving the way for a complete takeover by the oligarchs.

          "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

          by leftreborn on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:24:33 PM PST

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          •  I didn't say they're the same. (0+ / 0-)

            I said they differ vastly in rhetoric and the 'vision' they're selling [to the people in exchange for the people's votes]. But that in the end, they are all functionaries for the ruling elite. Obama's the one pushing cat food, you know. The other guys would just as soon let us starve en masse, and keep us from any health care at all to ensure we die sooner rather than later. I'm quite sure cat food is preferable to nothing, but a bag of Meow Mix for the week doesn't resemble a healthy human diet in anybody's book. [Aside: Who wants to bet it'll be Purina that gets the gub'ment contract for Soylent Green?]

            Do not be fooled by appearances, rhetoric or any grand 'vision' they're peddling. Or by the sleight of mind distractions that perpetually keep us fighting amongst ourselves for bare crumbs so we won't notice the wasteful gluttony of their war-feast. The people have spoken, loudly, with the only voice we've got: our votes. We might as well be mute for all the attention the Kabuki players will pay to us before the next time they want our votes.

            We prefer the Dem's kinder, gentler austerity to the Puke's mean-spirited "let them starve" attitude. It's austerity either way, as it was designed to be when the time came for the Boomer generation to retire (despite the 'extra' couple of trillion dollars Boomers have put aside into the mal-named "SS Trust Fund" to cover the cost of the demographic bulge Boomers present). Because there is no plan on either side of the aisle to make the rich repay what they've stolen, the young (and chronically, perhaps permanently un/ underemployed) simply don't have enough wealth to shift the burden down the line.

            We've been [tax] "farmed" during our productive lives to generate wealth our financial/governmental overlords could steal once they'd stolen everything else. Only land/homes and labor are worth anything of actual value in this world, hence "credit default swaps" on real estate so the land/homes could be stolen outright, along with a taxpayer bailout of the gamblers so they could cash out twice on the same properties. Double Indemnity! Plus a "jobless recovery" to the 21st century's Great Depression (scheduled to last another 20 years at least to facilitate global repositioning for the next Big Cash-Out).

            It's harvest time again, happens every generation or two when the Masters of the Universe cash out on the life's savings of the people. Last time it was the S&Ls, this time it's the banks and their Wall Street operatives. This is how our system has operated over the last century (at least), it can be no surprise that the biggest generation's retirement from the workforce would signal the biggest cash-out.

            Doesn't mean I'm not fully invested in the Democratic version of kinder, gentler austerity over the Puke's bottom-feeder creed of hatred and division (just shoot us). It only means I can see past the funny makeup, bad costuming and dumb plot line to get the gist of what's really going down.

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