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  •  I reject your premise (0+ / 0-)

    that a society can't be both democratic and well-armed.

    the purpose of the second amendment is to promote a well-regulated militia, in the same sense that the purpose of the first amendment is to promote a well-informed electorate.

    by happymisanthropy on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 11:02:45 PM PST

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    •  Not sure where you found that (2+ / 0-)
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      premise in the above post.  Rather I tend to read the opposite in other posts - that a society cannot be democratic unless it is well armed.  

      For the record, I say that Democracy is not dictated by the presence or lack thereof of guns.

      And some even go beyond that premise.  Their premise appears to be that there cannot be a Democracy unless "we" ) are allowed to have any (and as many) guns that we want.

      "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

      by newfie on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 05:43:00 AM PST

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    •  I reject the idea that policians will (1+ / 0-)
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      vote for the best for everyone when a gun from one group is to their head (and not just metaphorically).

      David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

      by PsychoSavannah on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:11:06 AM PST

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    •  As long as the armed citizens (2+ / 0-)
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      are well-regulated and responsible ones, there's no reason we can't have both a democracy and citizens who choose to bear arms for whatever reason other than murder or committing crimes.

      It's when gun owners are careless with their guns - shooting grannies because they couldn't take 2 simple precautions:  pointing the weapon away from people and carrying it unloaded to a large gathering of like-minded people, or allowing mentally unstable people access to them to commit massacres of children - that the rest of society has to rise up in rebellion and say - ENOUGH. If you gun owners can't regulate and behave responsibly on your own recognizance with your weapons, then we as a society must take action and impose some limits on you.

      We gave the gun owners (aka the NRA, who were once the voice of reason about guns) lots and lots of time to talk among themselves and come up with ways to prevent the misuse of guns in our society - and all they could come up with was to arm everybody!

      That is not a viable solution, so the rest of society is now taking on the burden the gun owners should have shouldered to enact rules and regulations to keep gun ownership safe and responsible.

      Notice we aren't using guns against the irresponsible gun owners - we're using votes and pressure on our legislators, we're using words not bullets, to make those changes.

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      by Noddy on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:28:45 AM PST

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