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  •  My freedom is not given by a god, (7+ / 0-)

    nor am I one of "His people".  Obama made these statements as if they are absolutes. He could have at least prefaced them with "I believe.....".

    My freedoms and rights are given to me by the Constitution, the Bill of Rights (both non-god inspired according to John Adams and according the WORDS in them), and by the various laws passed by govermental bodies (who are supposed to not legislate religious ideas- we've blown that one good!).

    I really wish that the Barack Obama who said once upon a time that he was not running for "minister in chief" would come back.  

    I am an atheist in America who is constantly told at every function where the Pledge is said,  or on every piece of currency that flows through my hands by my government that there IS a god.  

    Other than that... the speech was pretty good.

    •  I see your point but I do think the President was (1+ / 0-)
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      just talking about his vision and his beliefs in that sense. He never has seemed pushy about his faith at all.

      He has mostly been very clear that he represents all of America, those of many diffferent faiths and non believers too. I remember him clearly stating that in his first inaugural speech and at other times.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:56:22 AM PST

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      •  He mentioned non believers in the past... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... and in an inauguration so grossly over saturated with god talk, he should have made a point to mention us again.

        Close your eyes, stop your ears Close your mouth and take it slow Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear And later you can say you didn't know

        by njheathen on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:04:25 PM PST

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        •  I remember getting all excited when he threw (1+ / 0-)
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          a bone to non-believers. He's done it a couple of times. But then he expanded the faith based programs which are a clear violation of church/state. He balked at his promise to stop faith based fund receivers from hiring discrimination. He hired a Pentacostal minister on our tax dime to advise him and pray with him every day (Joshua DuBois).  He formed a council of religious representatives of faith based fund receievers to advise him on government policy concerning the funds they are receiving (foxes guarding the hen house?).  He went to the National Prayer Breakfast last year claiming he was there as a representative of the American people (read Jeff Sharlet's The Family to find out why the President should not even enter the room with those people).

          He has said the pretty words about non-believers. But his actions have said something else completely. Now when it comes to religion, I don't understand him or trust him very much.

    •  Your rights are a given of your human heritage, (1+ / 0-)
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      they INHERE in you. An oppressor can physically bar you from exercising them, but by definition they are your birthright (no matter how you did or did not come to be in this universe), not subject to the whims of the majority or the fashion of the day.


      by raincrow on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:13:57 AM PST

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    •  I'm an atheist as well... (3+ / 0-)
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      but religion is a large part of our country's narrative. There is no escaping religious symbolism at events like this. I just ignore all the god talk and Bible swearing by working to make sure religion does not shape public policies like marriage equality, etc.

      •  Well that is the approach that many (0+ / 0-)

        atheists take, but I am saying what I am saying on this day because my view needs to be taken into account. I also think that just because the immersion of religion into our "country's narrative" has been the story...the story can change. In fact, it needs to be changed. Atheists need to take a stand somewhere.  Our Constitution was written without "appeal to divine sources" as John Adams wrote. Yet our government now appeals to the divine every chance it gets and that is a recipe for danger.  Ignoring it won't make it to away, and actually assists it to move into more violations down the road.  James Madison worried about this in his Essay on Monopolies.  He saw the innate raw aggressive power of the Abrahamic religions.  No matter how many lines you draw in the sand, they will always cross them and want more.

        While I am tolerant of religionists and work with them in separation of church/state groups, I am fast losing my ability to be as accomodating as you.

    •  god is a part of our culture (0+ / 0-)

      for the vast majority of our country, god is an important part of their lives

      it makes sense to me that the President gives some nods to god in his speeches

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