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  •  quite frankly (16+ / 0-)

    we don't get to ask reasonable questions and get reasonable answers in the national dialogue because of deliberate attempts to distract or quash rational discussion by a group that benefits from no restrictions at all.

    As for what illnesses, how long, when may rights be restored,  those questions might have already been closer to good answers if the CDC could have done research for the last 20 years.   I don't have them in my hip pocket.

    My off the cuff reaction,   commit murder and serve in a mental institution because of insanity (actually a hard thing to accomplish under the law in most places) sets you up for a probably never answer.   And all the onus needs to be on the person convicted to prove they simply pose no threat.  Some mistakes society shouldn't give you an easy second chance at.   If and when mental health treatment starts to catch up with the rest of the health care system, I might change my answers.   That isn't to say we should not spend more time and money on mental health issues, given what is happening in the real world, it is way passed time for that to happen.   But the reality is, too little is known, what is known is haphazardly available to the public at large, treatment lags or is voluntary, and people relapse without therapy and drugs.  Not a scenario to set up  mental patients for success in the long run.

    •  we are in agreement it seems (6+ / 0-)

      this guy seemed to fly under the radar because his felony was committed as a juvenile and mental health records are generally not part of a background check.  The question is if we wish to open juvie records for examination and if we wish to make our health records a part of a background check

      •  sometimes it doesn't require (7+ / 0-)

        opening private records.  The expungement question remains, but conviction averted by reason of insanity is a public record,  maybe those should never be expunged.  Guardianships created by mental incapacity are also public records, maybe those should always be added to the database.   It would mean that we miss people who have never been publicly adjudged as mentally insane or incompetent, but it strikes a balance.

        I am not so concerned with drawing the lines at this moment, as that society gets a fair and full opportunity to hear about the science, to have studies done,to have law enforcement professionals to weigh in, as well as ordinary people,  to have recommendations based on reason on the table.

    •  "a group that benefits from no restrictions at all (0+ / 0-)

      That, in the (not very) long run, is nobody, even gun owners and manufacturers.

      The gun lobby needs to understand the wisdom of a building contractor I hired once. They took an environmental measure that went beyond what the law required. Their reasoning? "We live here too".

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