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  •  He was a mental patient (10+ / 0-)

    because of his felonious behavior. In this case (and similar ones) I think we really should consider them together.

    47 is the new 51!

    by nickrud on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:23:11 PM PST

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    •  I believe this (2+ / 0-)
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      used to be called criminally insane. Now we don't use insane anymore but criminally mentally ill is kind of a weird term.. I do have problems with the modern medical classification/definition/degrees of what is considered mentally ill. Lots of  people are moody, some get depressed, some are compulsive, all of these conditions do not seem to me to be dangerous to society. Part of life if not debilitating,chronic or wrecking your life..

       It worries me when records/data are kept by the government of people's various problems. I guess I'm 'paranoid' but it does seem to me that it could be abused if all our mental as well as physical ailments are kept in a data base regardless of what it was used for... (you could have to pay more for insurance or other abuses could occur. But I'm sure the government would not abuse this data) snark

      But then again teh google and FB already know I'm kind of socially maladjusted and a misfit anyway. I went to a therapist for awhile when my mom died  but not the drug dispensing kind.  She was the talking and dispensing tissues to cry in kind. Really hard to sort out whose mentally ill in a society that's this nut's.      

      •  check out some of the responses (1+ / 0-)
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        and it seems that people still fear people with mental illnesses, even though most never harm anyone except themselves

        •  I think that (2+ / 0-)
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          they mostly are afraid of mentally ill people or even angry frightened people who have big guns, which they insist they have a right to, regardless of how intimating they are to people around them. Fear and anger are related. I get angry when fear is pumped my way.

          What bothers me about is the people who's fear of mental illness and guns want to put people away or medicate them,  preemptively. Americans seem addicted to fear and if the so called medical mental health system and the government get to decide who is capable of violence it worries me. Especially with children, who they tend to over medicate if they don't fit into some preconceived social norm.

          I have a friend a psychiatrist who works for the state with the homeless. I asked her what she did to help them and she said nothing we just dispense meds. to them. I asked if that helped and she said no but it helps the pharmaceutical companies andd it's cheaper then counseling.    

          I would hope that this would not happen but personal experiences with my kids and the school system, was a nightmare. One of my kids was hyperactive, and they wanted him to be on Ritalin. He was 'disruptive' but not violent or even belligerent.  We tried it for while but it just messed him up. We gradually got him off meds and used other means. No junk food or sugar a healthy diet helped. So did running and other outdoor activities. Mister Roberts chilled him right out as did washing dishes for some reason.

          I've always been speedy naturally but I learned to live with it. sometimes comes in handy when I'm cranking  work out. My son, as the doctor said he would, out grew his ADD or whatever he was,  during puberty. His wife laughs when I tell her he was once hyperactive. I also have a autistic granddaughter and our society at this point is not tolerant to those who are differently wired and who stand out side of the norm.

           

      •  classifying a society (0+ / 0-)

        as 'nuts' is a bit of a copout, in my opinion.

        However, just about everything else you say I tend to agree with. But just because it's hard doesn't mean it isn't something to tackle.

        47 is the new 51!

        by nickrud on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:07:08 PM PST

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