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  •  We either need laws mandating background checks (10+ / 0-)

    at gun shows, or laws prohibiting gun shows where there are no background checks.  That would take care of some of the problems re:  guns getting into the hands of folks who aren't the best gun users.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:30:50 PM PST

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    •  Even I know this. If the weapon is purchased (9+ / 0-)

      from a licensed firearm dealer, said dealer MUST run a background check at risk of losing his license.

      However, anyone who wants to sell a gun knows people at gun shows often want to buy a gun, and may make a sale in the parking lot.

      If the seller is NOT a licensed dealer, no requirement for any sort of check.

      The 'gun show loophole' refers more to the location than the sale; it's really a 'private sale loophole'.

      I beleive the president wants to fix this, and make ALL sales require a background check.

      *There are two sides to every horseshit.* Kos

      by glorificus on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 03:31:55 PM PST

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      •  I don't think I've ever agreed with you (1+ / 0-)
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        on an gun issue, but you are exactly right with this comment regarding the dreaded "gun-show loophole" that cause some people to run around pulling their hair out while screaming (like above).

        I'm very pro-2a, but I do think all gun transactions need to go thru the NICS check. Not sure how exactly to accomplish that, unless licensed dealers were approved to do them for private/individual sales, with an set fee so they couldn't inflate the cost.

        •  Thanks to KVoimakas' steady repetition it sunk in. (1+ / 0-)
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          Also according to him and others, NICS is NOT overly accurate, I believe due to lax rules regarding reporting or conflicting laws such as HIPAA regs.

          And we probably don't agree on much else.

          *There are two sides to every horseshit.* Kos

          by glorificus on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 05:25:22 PM PST

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        •  I wasn't pulling my hair out, but I do think that (2+ / 0-)
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          recognition of the problems potentiated by the "gun show loophole" is imperative at this point-- and action to close the loophole is needed.

          That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

          by concernedamerican on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:29:35 PM PST

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      •  That sounds simple, clean and easy to understand: (3+ / 0-)

        ALL sales, whether on public or private property, whether at gun shows or in stores, whether in a parking lot outside a show, or in a car parked under an overpass, or in a penthouse, require background checks.  Those who don't run the checks subject to penalties or prosecution.  Those who obtain the weapons through such routes subject to confiscation and penalties.

        That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

        by concernedamerican on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:31:40 PM PST

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