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  •  When the band *played there* (1+ / 0-)
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    vacantlook

    then it seems stupid to fire him.

    What's all this bullshit defending the assholes who fried him?

    •  As I said above (1+ / 0-)
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      johnny wurster

      it's like working at McDonalds and wearing a T-shirt that says, "French Fries are horrible for you and you shouldn't et them."

      That's either incredibly stupid (if you expect nothing to happen) or a deliberately provocative statement.  

      I think French Fries are horrible -- akin to poison, especially when they are part of "Happy Meals" - but if someone did that at a McDonalds, I'd expect him or her to be fired.  

      I'm a partner in a law firm, and from time to time we represent unpopular clients who may be in the local news.  If someone wore to work a shirt that said something about that client  or the news stories or local political stories about that client -- no matter how much the employee passionately believed it -- that would show such  lack of judgment I might support firing that person as well.  

      You don't have a right to express your views like that at work.  There, to the public, you represent the employer.

      If this person had been fired for something like this on his own time away from work, it would be a completely different story.  

      •  No, it isn't like that at all (0+ / 0-)

        If you wore a monopoly shirt while working at McDonald's, assuming the dress code is fine otherwise it wouldn't be a big deal.

        You don't have a right to express your views like that at work.  There, to the public, you represent the employer.

        If this person had been fired for something like this on his own time away from work, it would be a completely different story.

        Yes, clearly a job can fire you for whatever they want.  The law is not the end all be all of what is right and wrong and I wish more lawyer would realize that.

        This place sucks for firing him over this. Whatever the law may say.

        •  Well, I'm an employer (2+ / 0-)
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          johnny wurster, Samulayo

          And an employee who wore something to work that displayed  views deliberately contrary to the goals of the workplace, I would not be happy about that.  

          Our employees are certainly entitled to opinions that contradict the goals of our enterprise.  But the are not allowed to deliberately make that clear at work, and especially not if they have any interaction with our clients.  

          I can't imagine that one would do something like that an NOT expect that it would upset the employer. No matter how much I may disagree with the views of an employer, it is either extremely dumb, or deliberately provocative, for an employee to display views directly contrary to the goals of the enterprise while on the job.

          If one worked at a religious facility, and wore a t-shirt that expressed atheist views -- like "there is no God" -- I would take the exact same position.  

          The problem here is a t-shirt that contradicts the goals of the employer being worn on the job.  

          •  If the goals of the employer (1+ / 0-)
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            Zaq

            Include discrimination and oppression then fuck the employer.  This organization was happy enough to use the band to make them look tolerant I don't need to hear a legalistic apologia for homophobes on what is suppose to be a site that supports gay rights. You would blame the person standing up for the rights of the oppressed.

            •  Then he should not work at a place whose express (0+ / 0-)

              Goal, if you check their website, is to convey their religious beliefs to young people.  

              But you can't agree to take a job working for an organization whose goals you abhor and then attempt to undermine their goals while you are taking their money.  

              If their views are horrible and you cannot keep quiet about that while they are paying you, quit.  Stop taking their money. Don't be a hypocrite.  Which is what it appears to me this young man may have intentionally decided to do, only he chose to end his employment by making a statement.  And if that is what he intentionally did, I am fine with that.  

              My point is you cannot expect someone to pay you when you, during the time for which they are paying you, are undermining their goals.  someone who does that is a hypocrite.  

      •  Yeah, right. (1+ / 0-)
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        Matthias

        Advocating equal civil rights is just like saying your employer is a public health hazard.

        Wretched comparison.  

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