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  •  You sound like an armchair soldier. (1+ / 0-)
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    I doubt you'd be willing to sacrfice your life if a war with Iran, which you seem to want, were to come around. If such an ugly and unnecessary war were to happen, I hope you're among the first to go Charlie. Somehow I doubt we can count on you, despite all your bravado and militarism.

     Neither Iran or Mali are a threat to anyone. To think we need to solve all our international problems with wars of aggression is insanity. Not wanting to meddle in every other nation's affairs is called non-interventionism, not isolationism.

     Comparing the "War on Terror" to World War II is equally crazy. I think you watch too many World War II documentaries on the History Channel or Military Channel.

    •  He´s entirely reasonable. (0+ / 0-)

      Mali isnt a threat to anyone, but the islamists are. Hollande saved our collective butts here, without anyone in the US public seemingly noticing. (The professional US State department did, and has been very helpful).

      •  No, they're not a threat. (0+ / 0-)

        The Mali Islamists are a local problem, not an international one.

      •  You what's a real threat to the United States? (3+ / 0-)
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        The Mexican drug cartels and right-wing extremists here at home, that's who! Get back to me when the Mali terrorists start launching invasions on our coasts.

         If you must know too, Mali is a former French colony and the world's 8th largest gold exporter. Naturally France has cynical reasons for their intervention.

        •  right on that (2+ / 0-)
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          islamists arent a threat to the US, but they are a threat to a pretty large part of the world (the Old World and its surroundings), and THAT makes them a knock-on threat to places like the US or China.

          Similarly, North Korea isnt a threat to us here (in Europe). Its a threat however to South Korea, Japan, and pending their weapons progress,  potentially even the US; and that makes them then a threat to ourselves as well in the consequences.

          that is how foreign policy functions, its not about who can shoot who directly, it is about how the pieces of the global puzzle are influencing each other, and that is where isolationism fails, regardless of whether it comes form a rightish or leftish outlook.

          •  About that. (1+ / 0-)
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            First I'm glad you see my point about genuine local threats to our own country.

             While Islamism is an international phenomenon, it's not the overwhelming force of evil that Islamophobes make it out to be. It's not like countries in Africa and Asia can't contain and fight their own Islamists. Most Islamists are strictly local or regional problems. Their "domino effect" is minimal. The Islamists aren't monolithic group either and have their own local/regional agendas, i.e. Mali Islamists have different goals than Pakistani Islamists. They're far from being an almight "Axis Power".

             As for North Korea, they're a joke and you know it! Japan, South Korea and China have much stronger militaries and none of those countries want war in the region. They can handle North Korea just fine. North Korea isn't exactly on China's good side anymore either. In other words, North Korea is only a threat to itself, not the world.


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