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  •  Excatly how does a progressive third party help to (15+ / 0-)

    elect more and better Democrats?

    "Tis the site mission statement, after all.

    •  look at the good the greens did (11+ / 0-)

      in 2000.  I'm guessing you start one, it will be a good way to bring in right wing millionaire's gold...
      win elections?  not so much...

    •  theoretically...and I stress that it's theory... (2+ / 0-)
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      a growing progressive party would force the Democrats to go back to the more populist policies. The Party, as it stands now, is concerned with winning elections and if it takes moving left or right to win then that's what it'll do.

      A 3rd party cannot win. Its value is moving the Democrats to the left.

      •  What is the point of moving the (7+ / 0-)

        party left if the party can't win an election?  see The Tea Party.

        •  I believe the Democrats would win more (2+ / 0-)
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          if the party moved to the left. If the party needs to be center-right in order to win then we're screwed, in terms of policy.

          I want to point out that there's a difference between moving to the left and becoming the political arm of SDS, which is, I think, what you're asking about in reference to the tea party. Tea partiers are extreme crazies. I'm not asking the Democrats to become bomb throwers. I'd just like the party to say unequivocally that social security is good. That unions are good. That poor people need help. That rich people should be willing to be rich instead of mega-rich.

          If that sort of thing loses elections then we're in big trouble. And if, in order to win elections, the Democrats have to be like the Republicans used to be, then what's the point of being a Democrat?

          Winning an election is worthless unless the right policies follow.

        •  What is the point of voting for any party (1+ / 0-)
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          that doesn't represent you?  There is no win possible.  But then I come from where you can both move the party left AND win elections.  I think more people should have the confidence to not believe that is impossible.  

          •  Not by backing a third party you don't (1+ / 0-)
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            you can both move the party left AND win elections.
            Which is the point of this yet-another-third-party-dream diary.

            Want a multi-party political system? You have two choices:

            1) Trigger a Constitutional Convention. Get a new Constitution in to replace the existing system of government, because the existing Constitution sets up rules that funnel events towards a two-party system.

            2) move to a different country.

            Absent 1 or 2, talk about a 3rd party is nothing more than a bunch of wishful thinking.

        •  What is the point of helping someone win (0+ / 0-)

          If the winner doesn't represent your ideals?

      •  Two Things Dems in Fed. Office Fear: (4+ / 0-)

        1) loss of votes and,

        2) loss of campaign cash

        If you can guarantee one or both of the above to Dems, then they'll move left. Shaming the Democrats with appeals to progressive principles that help the common man simply doesn't work.

        "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

        by Aspe4 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 11:55:39 AM PST

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      •  I don't see any communality between populism (0+ / 0-)

        and progressivism.  Anyway the poster said they were interested in starting small at the local level.  I mean if you elect Bernie Sanders as a democratic socialist it doesn't hurt the party in any way and I believe that's what he was talking about.  Remember Teddy Roosevelt split the Republican party when he ran as a progressive so even a third party progressive presidential candidate could help.  

        It really depends on the local politics. Sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not.  In reality, there wouldn't be much left of the Democratic party if all the progressives left.  They are the majority so if you look at progressivism as different flavor of liberalism who can work with other liberals, it can be constructive as opposed to destructive.  It may help especially in places that are electing progressives anyway as it may give then a national organization they coordinate with.

    •  It doesn't..It ensures a more right dem party (2+ / 0-)
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      since that who gets elected once you strain out the more left people... Turns a loud voice into a squeak. Tried over and over and over with the result that the country has swung farther right despite a growing base that favors left ideas. Add that to the Regressives idea to gerrymander the electoral college and we get even more right wing until they are rounding up the lefties (after they have served thier purpose) to fill the 'for profit' prisons... amazing what you can do about hated groups when you write the laws and have no moral barriers to slavery. This is why I no longer call myself a progressive.

      Fear is the Mind Killer...

      by boophus on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11:29 PM PST

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