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  •  The Democratic Party is not progressive (2+ / 0-)
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    It has a Progressive Caucus that is sometimes actually progressive.

    Republicans have been in control since Democrats conceded the message and the agenda in the '80s.

    Now, yesterday we did finally hear a progressive speech from Obama.  We will see if that has any impact on policy.

    •  Mainstream of the Democratic Party is Conservative (4+ / 0-)

      Much of the Democratic Party supports a lot of conservative economic policies. Dems are definitely more liberal on social issues, i.e. things that don't cost Goldman-Sachs money.

      "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

      by Aspe4 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 11:52:09 AM PST

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    •  You mean "today". Dems in the 50's, 60's & 70's.. (5+ / 0-)

      were very progressive; almost socialist.

      They can be again, but they have got to be taken there by progressives working within offering real, workable solutions and answers.

      Splitting the party is a guaranteed for GOP control for decades to come.  It is such a bad idea, I always suspect those who suggest it as being Republican trolls.

      Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

      by LiberalCanuck on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 11:52:48 AM PST

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      •  And I always suspect those who insist (3+ / 0-)

        we must not split the party of needing to keep their staff jobs in DC.  I mean you are admitting the party hasn't been progressive since the 70's.  Whatever it is we've been doing has not been getting us there in the lifetime of many who post here.   I mean yeah, I'm getting old enough that decades seem like months too, but I'm also getting old enough that I want to belong to a progressive party again before I die!

        •  We have a new progressive bloc in the Senate (1+ / 0-)
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          for the first time in 40 years.

          But if you truly want a more progressive party, there are already several out there.  Why aren't you a member?  Because they're small and insignificant?

          "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

          by Bob Love on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:09:38 PM PST

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          •  Because the Democratic Party hasn't yet pushed (0+ / 0-)

            me over the edge.  But I am on edge.  An austerity budget that cuts entitlements while preserving low taxes for the wealthy and the MIC will push me over it.  

            Obama has me confused at the moment.   Does he believe the words he spoke yesterday or does he believe in the Grand Betrayal?  

            We shall see.

            •  Maine can do their "independent" thing (0+ / 0-)

              But this is the result of third party candidacies on a state wide level.

              The Democrats are the only near term option.  Work on whatever else you want to on the side, in your hometown.  But federally, the Democratic Party is pretty much all we got.

              There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

              by slothlax on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:41:38 PM PST

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          •  You are arguing with a die-hard 3rd party dreamer (3+ / 0-)
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            Before the election this poster was here campaigning for the Green Party. He's here to undermine the Democratic Party, for whatever personal reasons.

        •  The Democratic Party hasn't been progressive.... (1+ / 0-)
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          since the 1980's and Reagan.

          Even Clinton couldn't move it more than a few inches to the left during his eight years (DADT was the LIBERAL compromise if you can believe it).

          The tide has changed and Democrats are returning to progressive values and liberal opinions.  Obama is taking the lead in this movement.  But to imagine for a second that that trend would continue if liberals and progressives jumped into a third party, is to deny reality so badly that one would have to ask "what have you been smoking?"  That sort of denial of fact is usually only found on the Right.

          Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

          by LiberalCanuck on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:18:03 PM PST

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          •  Hmm. Sounds like the root cause lies with (2+ / 0-)
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            The American electorate.

            In a democracy, political parties advocate policies that translate into votes. If both major parties in a 2-party system move in the same direction, what does one conclude from that evidence?

            A: That population is moving in that direction in terms of collective opinion.

            B: A Third Party will by simple act of existing cause that collective opinion to reverse.

            This third party talk is fantasy talk. Want to change the collective opinion of a nation of 300,000,00+ souls? Prepare to work hard and long, to suffer setbacks and disappointments, and to pick oneself up and dust oneself off repeatedly.

      •  In the 1930's (0+ / 0-)

        In the US there was a Liberal Party, a Socialist Party, a Communist Party.

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:17 PM PST

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