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  •  And it has Keith Ellison because (0+ / 0-)

    I and others in my district voted for him regardless of the party establishment tut tutting that supporting a Muslim leftist was oh so risky.  

    The only way you elect progressives is to elect them and you do not do that by voting for candidates who are not progressive no matter their party label.

    •  See, you're doing it already! (2+ / 0-)
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      Its much more effective to utilize the existing structure than to reinvent the wheel.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:00:45 PM PST

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    •  Your viewpoint is shared by a lot of Americans but (0+ / 0-)

      I can offer another way of looking at things, if you don't mind.

      Maybe because I was exposed to a different system which starts in civics classes at an early age I have a different idea of what works best.  There's an obvious difference between voting your conscience and strategic voting.  I see a strong preference in America for voting your conscience.  It's understandable.

      Ideally, in a democracy, citizens make a series of decisions, whether they realize it or not.  It begins at a fundamental level with questions like:

      How do you make your voice heard?  That's the root purpose of voting. [The word itself traces back to its Latin meaning of a vow, a declaration, a prayer.  In English we know the word 'votive' as in 'votive candle' from its use along with prayers.] Given its meaning, remaining silent by not voting is categorized as a strategic failure.
      It's not a matter of conscience.  That only applies to selecting a candidate who will support your interests.   There's no room for non-participation because your interests won't be supported if your voice isn't heard.  (You won't get what you want if you don't ask.)  

      On this foundation is built the decisions that go into strategic voting.  The full implication of every decision is considered.  If I vote for candidate X what outcome can I expect  If I don't vote for candidate X what outcome can I expect.  If there are only two candidates, it's a relatively simple decision that boils down to choosing the one who most closely matches your interests.  The unacceptable option, not voting, is also good to consider if there are only two candidates.  If a candidate who doesn't overlap at all with your interests can have far worse consequences if she wins than the alternative.  

      "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

      by leftreborn on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:36:26 PM PST

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    •  The point is that pushing for progressives (0+ / 0-)

      outside the party can be very damaging.  Look at what the Tea Party did for the Republicans.  I think it should only be done when it doesn't hurt Democrats and as a practical matter what's the difference between a Democratic Progressive or a Progressive.  In Keith Ellison's case not much.  I think he wins because he's a strong candidate.  They keep running more conservative candidates against Michelle Bachman and losing (the last time in a squeaker) but when Clinton came to talk Democrats filled the stadium and they had to turn away about 10,000 people in subzero weather.   He spoke in Stearns County and Bachman lost in good old conservative Stearns  60-40 (Clinton power).  Good candidates with good support is what it's all about.

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