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  •  they picked a terrible candidate (3+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, exlrrp, johnny wurster

    a mormon. a disconnected uber rich white guy who wore magic underwear. the christians down here had to pull mormonism off their list of cults.

    they had loud mouthed knuckle draggers talking about self aborting rape babies.

    they spent tons of money and had very little return.  

    and it wasn't because of OWS.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:20:47 AM PST

    •  they basically sat silent over the summer (1+ / 0-)
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      and let their candidate be defined by the opposition.

      they created their own reality, throwing out the data that didn't reflect their bubble mentality.

      we should not make the same mistake.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:22:54 AM PST

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      •  Willingness and desire to grab complete credit... (1+ / 0-)
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        .....for everytbing good was their hallmark as was blaming everyone else for what was bad and you will see a lot of this in this diary.
        Occupy was the only ones demonstrating at the Demcratic comvention, thats why you saw  no Occupy people inside the convention.
        For them to claim later that  they had a big influence on th Democratic Party, which they scorned and insulted at every step is just more fatuous grandstanding. You'll see that in this diary too.
        Democratic politicians like Gavin Newsom, Jean Quan and Sam Adams originally stood with Occupy and see what happened to them. They don't stand with them any more, for sure. For Occupy to say they were influential in getting Democrats elected is just incredibly stupid.
        Speking as a Democrat I can say they were no help to us at all, anywhere.  They were an embarrassment to us, we got blamed for them while they badmouthed us eternally. Still do, you can see it right here.
        This diary will be an orgy for them to tell themselves how great they were/are but thats the way things sound in an echo chamber. OUtside of kos and other places on the net, theyre no place at all.

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 08:04:34 AM PST

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      •  It's both/and, not either/or (3+ / 0-)
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        Did the GOP blow the 2012 election in almost every way possible?  Of course they did.  From their clown car cavalcade of candidates to Thurston Howell III as their nominee w/ Eddie Munster as his running mate to the disastrous RNC, they shot themselves in both feet and in both arms, too.

        OTOH, OWS pushing class issues to the front surely helped.  In fact, while we'll never know who took the infamous "47%" video of Romney, that videotaping was very much within the spirit of Occupy.   Class issues are always a winner for Dems, and OWS was the only outside force vigorously pushing class issues into the debate.

        A national election has so many moving parts that one can never analyze or appreciate all of them.  In this election, however, both GOP incompetence and Occupy were clearly 2 of the moving parts.  

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 08:10:56 AM PST

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    •  ^^This.^^ I have no doubt that OWS (1+ / 0-)
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      helped to change the narrative from deficit fetish to the plight of the and that was for the good. But, ultimately, by the time 2012 rolled around, the GOP was suffering from their own self-inflicted wounds while OWS was pretty much forgotten in some circles.

    •  ALL their potential candidates were terrible. (0+ / 0-)

      Odd as it may seem, Mittens was the best of a bad lot . . . who would have run better . . . Newt?  Perry?  Paul?  

      I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

      by bobdevo on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:27:46 AM PST

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    •  Indeed it was. #OWS directly affected the convo. (3+ / 0-)
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      Granted, #OWS had our asses handed to us early and often, effectively snuffing the "movement" by Christmas 2011.  The One Percenters kicked our asses and kicked us off the streets by then.  But, no matter.  By then the conversation was all about the 1% vs. the 99% and that convo carried throughout the 2012 campaign.  That never would have happened without the effort of #OWS in the Fall of 2011.  The average Joe didn't give a damn about the "issue," and politicians cared even less.  I would argue it was one of the main issues hampering Mittens' campaign.  Had he not have had to deal with that issue - having to justify his business practices - that it was the new capitalism - get used to it - he would have been left to deal with Obama's crappy Economy.  And likely would have made his case.  If #OWS did nothing else it kept Mittens from attacking Obama on his crappy economy.

      •  OWS changed the awareness of enough people to (3+ / 0-)
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        change the national conversation. Or at least expand it to consider income inequality and 21st century debt slavery.

        Occupy the Debt is a beautiful thing. And talking about saving young Americans, and middle age Americans, from crushing education and housing debt is a tremendous contribution to have made.

        Getting driven from the camps is no bigger a disaster than the colonists getting driven from Bunker Hill. What is fatal is no act II. As long as inspiring people in the name of OWS do things as important as helping Sandy victims and paying off peoples housing debt, they deserve respect and support from the Progressive community. And debt jubilees that we can contribute to, and apply for if need be, can't be disrupted by cops, Black Blocks, or cops pretending to be Black Blocks the way camps and marches can.

        Time to camp out in an OWS office and organize, organize organize. I'm getting a little long in the tooth to march in any situation where there might be violence from idiots or cops. But I can help pay down other peoples debt and support people trying to help other Americans stay in their homes.

        99% of us should be grateful for that park camp out in the maw of the beast. And we should back OWS is the efforts  that camp and others inspired.

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