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  •  If it's wrong to call pro-gun advocates (3+ / 0-)
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    mrblifil, 417els, Dogs are fuzzy

    "child killers" and such--which it is--then it's also wrong to call gun control advocates "gun grabbers" and such. Seems kind of self-evident to me.

    We're not going to agree on many if any of the details, but if we can't debate this civilly, then we can't debate this, period. And I say this as someone who has a really, really hard time being civil to some of the people on the other side of this issue. So I say it more as a goal than as a promise. I.e. I promise to try to live up to this standard, but I can't promise that I always will.

    I don't think we can expect any more of anyone. But it seems to me that it should be a working goal, however often unfulfilled.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:24:30 AM PST

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    •  You are assuming debate among average users (0+ / 0-)

      whereas coordinated ideologues, offered inducements or otherwise, are not interested in civil debate, they are interested in poisoning the well. The "civility" issue is easier to understand, and more difficult to resolve, when seen in this light. Been this way since before the Primary Wars, but it was the Edwards/Clinton/Obama skirmishes that demonstrated the power and effectiveness of intransigent advocacy insistently pressed.

      •  "Coordinated" suggests trolling (0+ / 0-)

        or at least something akin to it. Be careful with that, even though I too suspect that it's happening here, and always has. Too many entrenched interest with too much to lose by not doing it and too much to gain by doing it. It's part of how politics works. Always has been, always will be.

        But what to do about it?

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 11:05:34 AM PST

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