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View Diary: The Citadel: Prepper paradise, pipe dream, or survivalist scam? (163 comments)

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  •  No road to the place? (16+ / 0-)

    I think the lesson that libertarians are about to learn is that roads don't grow or maintain themselves.   The first problem is getting the consent of the other property owners for a road easement, and that won't be cheap.    Of course they could ask the government to preempt some land and build a road for them...

    The next lesson that they will learn is that water, surprisingly, doesn't just appear magically from a tap.   You need wells, and drilling a well on a mountain isn't going to be fun.   Maybe they can collect water from a stream but they will learn that people downstream have rights to that water.

    The next lesson is what to do with all of the shit.   I don't mean the books that fuel this fantasy, but the very difficult problem of having a bunch of humans collected on 20 (!!!) small acres without getting sick.   The rules that they so despise keep us from becoming reacquainted with our old friend cholera, or hepatitis.    Getting rid of shit on a mountain is not easy, since it doesn't perc.

    The next lesson is that 20 acres of land on a mountain top is not like 20 acres of land on the prarie.   I own 14 acres which sounds huge to a 1/4 acre city dweller untill I tell you that quite a lot of it is unbuildable by any reasonable standard.   (Sure, if this was Manhattan it might be worth blasting away half of the mountain and putting up skyscrapers but there are very few parts of the world that people want to live in that badly...)  

    The final lesson is that if they somehow build this (with all services on 20 acres!) in a remote isolated area they will find themselves living in a remote, isolated area.   I have a fairly convenient (although declining in service) ferry that supports my island and people still call it "Orcatraz."   If I need something from Home Depot it waits until my next trip to the mainland; if I want to go hiking somewhere new it can take awhile.   We have friends and a few small shops (but not really any places that you would want to eat more than once, despite our latest attempt to label ourselves the "gourmet islands") and a nice little theatre but other than that it is "entertain yourself..."   I don't exactly miss things like McDonalds except on nights when every single place to eat on the island is closed (fortunately my wife is a great cook but if we happen to be out...)    If you are on 20 acres you are going to be cooking for yourself a lot....

    We have been here 12 years which is longer than many, recently had the opportunity to buy a place on the mainland and now have two lives.    There is a lot to love about our rural life (except the methheads who have moved in) but sometimes driving in Anacortes to a store 10 minutes away with great places to eat out nearby I think "damn, this is nice."    Downside is getting used to neighbors close by, when it gets too much we go back to Orcas....

    •  thought process (1+ / 0-)
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      I think Orcas George, Jay C, and Old Lefty have put more thought into the building requirements than the sellers.  Of course, planning is pretty easy when you're a scam artist with no intention of ever setting foot on the 20 acres, never mind buying or building on it.  I'll bet they collect a lot of "deposits"; they'll sell, rent, lease, and promise that place 100x over what it could ever support, because that's their goal.  Right before they changes their names (again) and disappear.  I don't know whether to feel sorry for the people they scam or just be relieved that the stolen $208 won't buy yet another gun.

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