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  •  I hope you know (17+ / 0-)

    that being on welfare is not equal at all to making $69,000.00 a year and that kind of story is fairy tale, Grimm kind of fairy tale.

    Even being disabled on SS is not equal to that, it is a constant struggle on about $12,000.00 a year.  The only difference is dying would be easier than trying to live on less and less each year as things like food, gas, electric costs keep rising which keeps decreasing incomes.  And it is always a win for those on top, and a lose - lose for those in the 99%.

    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

    by zaka1 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 05:28:55 PM PST

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    •  I 'm in full agreement (3+ / 0-)
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      Throw The Bums Out, Eyesbright, zaka1

      I also know manipulating statistics to feed a agenda is done by everyone. No one will debate  from the same data set. So they come up with ridiculous assertions and comparisons.

      Example: For many people getting Medicare like insurance is worth $25,000-$35,000 a year. If one takes a high amount of insurance for basic coverage and adds that to welfare benefits they can build a case to one particular echo chamber that it only pays to work if you make more than $70,000.  If you add housing such as section 8 housing and assign it an arbitrary valuation of $20,000 a year in after tax dollars. Then  add that to the insurance, add child care expenses and other job related expenses as if they were a cash benefit because you no longer need to spend that money , it doesn't take long to make the stats fit the agenda.

      So they use stats to value ALL of the non cash and Cash benefits a welfare beneficiary gets to such a degree that after paying taxes they only need to get to a $55,000 valuation in order to make a comparison.

      No one can stop them from doing and it can be very distracting to argue the point. The easiest way to go at it is :"show me all the $60,000-$70,000 jobs people are quitting in droves to go on welfare?" If you are like me, that's when you get banned from the site. But the point is made.

      •  Well, and I'm sure (0+ / 0-)

        you'll agree, their stats are bull shit.  I took statistics in college and it can be very easy to twist the numbers if you have no idea of what the stats represents to begin with.  Whenever your working with statistics you have to tease out variants and other things that could throw your numbers off.  During my research for my thesis the two people I was measuring has gotten together and did the paper work together, which they weren't suppose to do.  Before I could finish my thesis I had to uncorrelate all data before I could get the correct numbers.  It was a mess and there was a good chance it wouldn't uncorrelate which meant I almost wasted a whole year collecting useless data and information.  Point is you can look at a number, but you truly have to understand what it represents before you can truly understand it.  There is no way that what people get on food stamps, housing and etc., totals to $70,000.00.

        I've worked with the poor and families in shelters (some were also working) and I can honestly tell you that most people would be shocked by how those in poverty or homeless truly live.  I'd love to drag those people out who shoot off their mouths about the poor to do a few home visits and visits to the shelters.  I would hope that would shut them up and they would get down on their damn knees and show some appreciation for what they have and be thankful they are not poor.

        I still get tears in my eyes when I think of the beautiful children that are so happy to get something simple or just to be safe, their smiles could melt your heart.  

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:05:59 PM PST

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