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  •  He already approached Shas and UTJ AND they (2+ / 0-)
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    will be talking on Thursday. AT the same time, Lapid has already been out talking with Livni, and Yachimovich. I think he tries to go Yesh Atid, Biberman, Shas and UTJ. The thing is that if he goes H.H. he maybe loses Lapid due to H.H's insistence on a One State solution....

    Lapid is no dove but he is pro-Two States. ALSO, then, I am not sure how the Danon, Feiglin wing of the party will take to Lapid and his crew of Centrists.

    Interesting times ahead.

    "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

    by volleyboy1 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:20 PM PST

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    •  The exclusion of Arab parties from (0+ / 0-)

      national government bothers me. If Lapid were to make a groundbreaking move and include the Arab parties in the government he would have a comfortable majority. As the Arab population grows it becomes less and less sustainable to exclude them from government.

      "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

      by Shane Hensinger on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:55:19 PM PST

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      •  The problem is that (2+ / 0-)
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        the Arab parties are anti-Zionist, and don't really want to be part of the government. The Ashkenazic Charedim were the same way for many decades, but finally realized that they were getting so much from the state that they might as well participate.

      •  It won't happen and honestly doesn't bother me (0+ / 0-)

        Until they accept the character of Israel as it was meant to be they can sit on the sidelines. I can't see the rationale behind any government that would add those who want to see it not exist.

        "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

        by volleyboy1 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:13:08 AM PST

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        •  Yes, I see the rationale behind the way you feel (0+ / 0-)

          However - being in government moderates parties more than being excluded from government does - at least in a democracy. Look at the case of how Sinn Fein's inclusion in the Dail and northern Irish parliament moderated them.

          "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

          by Shane Hensinger on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:38:25 AM PST

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          •  Well it's sort of a moot point now anyway. (1+ / 0-)
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            Lapid just spoke and he won't do anything with Balad or any of the other parties. In fact, he seems pretty set to join a Netanyahu Government.

            He likes Bibi's pretty speech and Lieberman's dangling of the Finance Ministry as his post.

            Now, I am taking bets on how long this lasts. I give a coalition with Likud, Yesh Atid, Shas, UTJ and maybe HaBayit HaYehudi about Six months. Of course that is five more months than it will take Lapid to renounce every part of his platform...

            Just ridiculous. Given what happened to Kadima and Labor... DO people simply not get it?

            "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

            by volleyboy1 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 12:15:20 PM PST

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      •  It bothers me as well (0+ / 0-)

        But it's hard to imagine Balad, Ra'am Tal, and Hadash sitting in government headed by Lapid.

        They would only sit in a government firmly committed to addressing inequities and a viable 2 state solution.  Lapid campaigned very heavily in the major settlements, won't discuss East Jerusalem, and is focused on maintaining Israel as a "Jewish State."  These make it a non-starter for the Arab parties.

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