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  •  What exactly do you mean by "real voters"? (3+ / 0-)
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    Why do you assume that every "real voter" supports any kind of gun control restrictions?

      I'm am certainly a "real voter".  I am a "real voter" who is also a black woman and a hard core progressive and who has boot marks up and down my streets from campaigning to get other "real votes" on our side. My vote counts as much as the next "real vote".

    I am also a concerned "real voter" who owns firearms and believes that the 2A is my Constitutional right.  No gun owners can say with 100% certainty that they will support whatever ends up happening in regards to gun control until we see some proposed bills.  Thus far, I have heard anything from nothing more than the 23 exe orders already signed to a full of attempt to repeal, and everything in between.  No one really knows what will be attempted.  New York has successfully passed a monstrosity of a bill and if that is a blueprint for anything Washington will ultimately do, then I would definitely be against it.

     I will decide when I see gun control bills come down the pike...until then, I can only hope we are talking about reasonable bills that are used only to curb violence and prosecute criminals....and that the bills contain nothing that would diminish the 2A or disarm law abiding gun owners, in any way.

    •  I really think the hysteria being generated by the (0+ / 0-)

      NRA over 2a rights vastly, and I emphasize vastly exceeds any actual threat to 2a rights.

      Politically, common sense regulations, the very idea of regulation, is supported by a majority.
      Total chaos, which is what a total ban on guns would entail, is definitely not supported politically.

      From there we go to the actual near impossibility and the extreme cost of a total ban.

      It's not realistic.

      The grownups in the room are going to have a discussion about guns and gun regulations, and we'll get some basic, not-outrageous regulations out of it, and we'll also realize we can talk about this and act on it without the world coming to an end as Wayne LaPierrre prophesies.

      I think L. Lewis' reading of polls is probably correct, that there is more support for regulation than has been hyped in the media. Certainly, I think it's a fluid situation, and things have definitely changed since Newtown.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:05:54 PM PST

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      •  I'm curious why you think the "hysteria" (2+ / 0-)
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        over 2A rights is solely generated by the NRA.

        L. Lewis and upthread and a significant number here on DK vehemently argue for different forms of absolute prohibitory or confiscatory bans -- including even the repeal of the 2A itself.  

        The merits of that extreme approach as a political agenda would seem to fully validate rather than undermine the NRA argument -- does it not?

        The middle ground is where reform and reasonable regulatory initiatives will be achieved, but it is a mistake to ascribe extremism on this issue to only one side of the debate.

        •  I just used them as a punching bag. Yes, others (1+ / 0-)
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          not directly motivated by the NRA propaganda, do also.
          Most of it comes from the religious right.

          There are a few who are for total bans, but there aren't that many. There are some who argue for a proper reading of the 2nd A , including the part about well-regulated militia, but that doesn't mean they see a total confiscation of weapons.

          Most are for reasonable controls. Background checks, etc.
          The extremism is most definitely mostly among the pro-gun side.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:57:07 PM PST

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