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  •  LaPierre is a flim flam man (15+ / 0-)

    He knows that he's spewing bullsh!t. Unfortunately, his followers actually believe that he's visionary and the Media amplifies him unchallenged.
    Look at the things he puts forward as solutions and how he then undercuts those solutions: "Keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill" but don't require background checks on private sales and gun shows. Rather, make a publicly accessible list of everyone that has ever had mental health care, violating the right of privacy for a huge number of people regardless of whether or not they are involved with guns. Or, "More armed guards in every school (ignore the staggering cost of hiring 1 200 000 people). Or blame the slaughter on video games and demand censorship (while releasing a shooting game for preteens).
    Why he isn't immediately called out for this duplicity? Why he still has followers? Why his talkingpoints show up here?

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:21:51 AM PST

    •  universal background checks (10+ / 0-)

      are the key, to any draw-downs,

      to the scope and the horror,

      of these senseless, violent, tragedies.


      How many innocent victims, is Enough?

      How many broken families?


      Here's how the game is really Rigged.

      by jamess on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:47:49 AM PST

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      •  So long as we don't force therapists and doctors (9+ / 0-)

        to report every patient who comes in with a case of depression, anxiety, etc., to the government. Not only would this be intrusive, but it would discourage people from seeking needed help. Only the truly psychotic and others deemed risks to themselves or others should be reported, and even then their records kept well protected so that if they're denied in a gun purchase, the seller won't know why, and no one who doesn't need to know, can find out.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:43:45 AM PST

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        •  I'd work it the other way around (1+ / 0-)
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          so that anyone going to purchase a gun opens their treatment history to background check and/or goes through a screening. That makes it an opt-in list for gun buyers rather than a broadband list of everyone that has ever been in treatment (which would violate many laws and the Constitution). And there would have to be some determination in that list as to what constitutes a risk. Not all mental maladies are absolute disqualifiers.
          There is no sure-fire, 100% method for preventing someone with problems from getting guns, but a screen/test must be able to weed out the obvious inappropriate candidates.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:42:06 AM PST

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          •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

            If someone spends several months in therapy dealing with a mild depression or relationship problems, it should have zero impact on their ability to buy a gun. I'd argue that any mental health treatment for problems falling short of full-blown psychosis or other severe illnesses shouldn't just not be a factor in being able to buy a gun, they shouldn't even go on any database outside of the therapist's and insurer's, which are protected by HIPAA.

            We need to stop viewing mental illness as anything different from physical illness, and this shouldn't be the exception.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:49:02 AM PST

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            •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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              If someone spends several months in therapy dealing with a mild depression or relationship problems, it should have zero impact on their ability to buy a gun
              and should be protected privacy.
              And people who are not interested in buying guns should not have their privacy destroyed (any more than it is).
              Making therapists decide which of their patients to report is bad for the therapists, for the patients and for public mental health.
              But when someone decides to get a gun, their mental health can be a public safety issue and so should be subject to research into their medical history and/or some kind of standardized psych screening. Somehow a determination has to be made as to the suitability of the purchase. Without some kind of organized, verifiable (and challengable) data, that is impossible. An opt-in list collects that data without violating the privacy of non-gun buyers.
              I also agree with
              We need to stop viewing mental illness as anything different from physical illness,
              We're heading that direction but not there yet by any means. And creating a grand list of people with psych issues would push us in the wrong direction.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:27:10 AM PST

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              •  Even if someone tries to buy a gun (0+ / 0-)

                I don't want their medical histories subject to scrutiny. If that becomes the case, it could only work if everyone's medical history gets put on some centralized database that could then be used and abused by other agencies and entities, and that's just dangerous. Not that the NSA doesn't already do this, and possibly the FBI, but even if so, it's probably contained within these agencies, and hopefully used only for valid purposes. And even if not, I don't want to expand the use and abuse of private information for anything it's not meant for. Even if it's never abused, it will discourage many people from seeking help they need, which will end up negating any positive effects of denying some people guns. We need to restrict this to only serious mental illness cases, and even then it should be up to the therapist or facility to decide which those are. But once data is input into a database, it's there for good, to be abused eventually.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:32:36 AM PST

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