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  •  Let's face it, the day we put CIA operatives in (4+ / 0-)
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    our embassies and compounds, we make our diplomats targets.  If we are going to make them covers for our covert operations then we have to expect them to be targets.  This whole thing is a political charade but their are some real questions to be asked about what we are doing overseas and why State is serving as cover for the CIA, not a great idea.  

    •  There is nothing new or uniquely (4+ / 0-)
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      American about the practice of government spy agency personnel being in embassies.

    •  They have been there since OSS days and every (3+ / 0-)
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      nation puts representatives of whatever it has as a similar agency into its embassies. That is a given. Your view is unrealistic and downright naive. Diplomatic posts have not been "pure" in that sense forever. You will find diplomatic missions gathering inteligence going back as far as history.

      There was a day when we had a SoS who rather stupidly said "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail" just before WW II when he closed the WW I "Black Chamber."

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 07:22:15 AM PST

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      •  So then let's put on our big boy pants and admit (1+ / 0-)
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        that our diplomat missions are a sham for something else and not put good men and women in danger doing a thankless job, that we know is bullshit,  no wonder people hate us.  The State Department Budget is less than 1% of the is probably less than the Pentagon spends on parking in a given year.  

        •  Wake up and smell the damned coffee! (0+ / 0-)

          You are spouting nonsense. Our diplomatic staff does diplomatic work and is not just a nest of spies as you seem to want to make out. The pros put their safety and lives on the line in all sorts of nasty trouble spots to try to mitigate situations. We probably have some at risk in Mali right now and they are not working to screw the people of Mali. Get your own "big boy/girl pants on" and learn a bit about how things are in the world. The "bullshit" is coming from you!

          Throughout history diplomats have worked for the interest of their countries and often for mutual interest of theirs and the host countries. That is still the case. At the same time, intelligence gathering—and that is not a "dirty little secret"—has been a part of diplomatic representation. Every embassy in Washington, including our closest allies, has some form of that embedded. Our intel people meet with theirs with full knowledge that there are also some purely self interested national interests within those staffs as well. Some others have hostile intent and we know it.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:08:03 AM PST

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          •  You look at the history of this country and what (0+ / 0-)

            the CIA has done in our name.  Your the one that lives in the fantasy world.  The intelligence operation in Benghazi made that site the target of the attack and the Ambassador got caught in the crossfire...they just won't say that.

        •  They aren't a sham. They do diplomatic work (1+ / 0-)
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          By the same token, like every other country in the world, they also include some intelligence personnel.  This is not some dirty little secret of the United States.  They is how business is done across the world for all countries.  

          •  The basic ignorance here, on a site of people in (0+ / 0-)

            to politics, government and international affairs, is astounding. It is as if how laws pass, the workings of our constitutional system, every aspect of our government were "highly classified" and unobtainable by average citizens. At least it is more excusable here than in sitting Congress members, but then look at where they are coming from now and who votes for them. These are not secrets. Every citizen should have a fair idea of how things work.

            People here and apparently Congress wonder why we didn't have a strong force of U.S. Marines. Lemme see. China and Pakistan, the later with some reality based fears about our brand of Muslim hater, notify us they are sending a combat armed company or two of their finest combat troops to Washington or the San Francisco consulate so that they can blast anyone they find to be a threat to their sovereign diplomatic grounds. Response?

            Diplomatic stations gather, as well as sometimes share intelligence, on host countries. Wanna bet the Swiss don't have people poking around trying to find out what may be happening on our policies about "secret" bank accounts? I would not. It is like expecting a table of poker players not to be very alert and trying to scope out tells and what hands the others have—and you'd better believe anyone but closest buddy poker players finding they can see something about a hand someone else holds in a reflection in a glass wouldn't cast glances that way.

            FYI State has its own intel group, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research that used to be highly regarded.

            The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

            by pelagicray on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:39:42 PM PST

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