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  •  PS And seriously, (3+ / 0-)
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    karmsy, northsylvania, Chi

    we are going to put the crime of doping and the crime of murder in some kind of comparison?

    This analogy just does not work for me.

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

    by JayRaye on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:05:20 AM PST

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    •  WE NEVER FORGET (2+ / 0-)
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      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

      by JayRaye on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:07:20 AM PST

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    •  I thought about this comment for a long time. (2+ / 0-)
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      Because it's made me stop and think, I've tipped it.

      Lance Armstrong is guilty of more than simply doping. He's guilty of betraying the trust of generations of athletes. He's achieved standards of athleticism impossible by normal human measures, and for this reason, has set the bar artificially high--purely for reasons of greed and ego vanity. He's laid the groundwork, both for self-destruction, and for self-hatred in younger athletes. For this reason deserves every censure and has earned every extreme comparison.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 10:01:52 AM PST

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      •  Should be, "For this reason, HE deserves..."n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 10:03:58 AM PST

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      •  karmsy, I truly appreciate your thoughtful (1+ / 0-)
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        comments in this diary.

        But, really I must challenge:

        [Armstrong] For this reason deserves every censure and has earned every extreme comparison.
        Really? What he has done is very wrong, but, really, seriously, you will compare it to profiting off the deaths of textile workers? Seriously? Not in one fire, not in two fires, but fire after fire after fire?

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        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

        by JayRaye on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:11:55 AM PST

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        •  Mayn Rue Plats, dedicated (1+ / 0-)
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          To the men, women, and children who lost their lives while trying to make a living
          Sewing the garments that clothe the world.
          May we continue to fight for social and economic justice
          That we might yet make sweet their resting place.
          Solidarity,
          JayRaye

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

          by JayRaye on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:23:33 AM PST

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        •  Both WalMart and Lance Armstrong (1+ / 0-)
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          have profited by greed, enormously. WalMart has worker deaths on its conscience. And, because he has helped foment a win-at-any-costs mentality in professional sports and in society, Lance Armstrong, as surely, has death and destruction on his.

          One assertion is quantifiable, the other, not directly so (the attempt to live up to inhuman expectations is a partial factor in many deaths). But I'm not bothered by the comparison.

          Let us agree to disagree.

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 12:30:15 PM PST

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          •  OK, your thoughtful comment won me over (1+ / 0-)
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            part way.

            I would be completely won over, except that playing sports is a choice, whereas making a living is a necessity. And sports teams aren't usually locked in with no means of escape from the doping.

            But still you made a good point and I am less bothered by the comparison.

            WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

            by JayRaye on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 12:51:35 PM PST

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            •  Fair enough. (1+ / 0-)
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              But for certain troubled, vulnerable young people--for example--engaging in competitive sport, to win, is no "choice." It's as deadly serious as anything, and the stakes are life-and-death.

              Some people--many, actually--die for a phony ideal of "perfection," one that's foisted on them, and which they haven't chosen.

              It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

              by karmsy on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:01:20 PM PST

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