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  •  Bontemps, you are assuming everyone who owns (1+ / 0-)
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    a gun suffers suicidal ideations or homicidal ideations.

    •  Suicidal ideations in homes (1+ / 0-)
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      are overwhelmingly manifested by family members who are NOT the gun owner.

      Older parents, teenagers. Also, Major Depression comes on slowly when it arrives, not an easy thing to handle. You think those patients get with the program asap, getting rid of guns ?

      "Homicidal ideation" is usually rage. Not all that predictable.

      Everyone who owns guns is rolling the same pair of dice. Very few exceptions.

      "Not me !" is a fantasy.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 06:41:51 AM PST

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      •  My point is: (1+ / 0-)
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        I understand what you are saying, but I want to offer to you that your words seem overly broad, as to include everyone, even those with whom you have no direct interaction.

        If we are all hiding suicidal and homicidal maniacs in our home, then there is no point in having this discussion at all.

        •  People who become homicidal or suicidal (1+ / 0-)
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          in 2013 were not homicidal or suicidal in 2012.

          The exceptions run to diseases such as paranoid schizophrenia -- which is notoriously difficult to diagnose in the early stages.

          It's rolling dice.

          Mental health can collapse overnight.

          And yes, this applies to everyone. You or I could wake up tomorrow morning with Major Depression. The minor strokes produce personality changes more than not. (Not just the major ischemic large-bleed strokes.)

          Bad things happen to good people.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 07:17:12 AM PST

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          •  Yes, bad things happen to good people (1+ / 0-)
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            but assuming that we all loose our grip to that degree as a result, with or without TBI or a stroke is a giant assumption and nothing more. A What If at best.

            It's insulting. You have not walked a mile in my shoes, and I have neither killed anyone nor attempted to kill myself with a gun or anything else.

            •  I'm looking at the numbers. (1+ / 0-)
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              30,000 gun deaths a year is not from criminals. It's folks like us.

              "We have met the enemy and he is us...."

              The old Walt Kelly "Pogo" motto.

              Best to all --

              "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

              by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 08:12:02 AM PST

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