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  •  I don't understand WHY Reid rejects (16+ / 0-)

    the Talking Filibuster.  It still seems good to me.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:33:33 AM PST

    •  Because it would work. (7+ / 0-)

      The Senate today is decided to not actually work. They're bloody useless and that's a shame.

      The Grand Bargain must be stopped at all costs to protect the 99%.

      by cybrestrike on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:56:20 AM PST

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    •  Because it's so time consuming (11+ / 0-)

      The talking filibuster would force the minority to hold the floor and would expose the parties responsible for holding up progress, sure. However, all other business is still at a halt during the proceedings.
      By putting the burden on the minority to have 41 Senators present at all times, the Senate can conduct other business until such a time that the minority can't meet it's filibuster attendance requirement and then pull the trigger on the filibustered legislation.
      If the minority wants to block a bill, they will have to actually work to block the bill. They will have to object to the bill as a whole, instead of one cranky old Senator holding things up just because someone pointed out, correctly, that he's only holding things up because he's a cranky old Senator.
      That works for me.

      Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

      by Icicle68 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 10:30:54 AM PST

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      •  Can they conduct other business when the (0+ / 0-)

        matter being filibustered is the business before the Senate? I see them shift gears to morning business mode from time to time, but I thought they had to dispose of the business at hand one way or another before moving on. That was supposed to be the power of the filibuster - at least in the past. It prohibits the senate from moving on and delays essential legislation. Caro discusses this at length in his "Master of the Senate" series on LBJ's rise to power.

        •  Hmmm (0+ / 0-)

          The talking filibuster would certainly prohibit other business from being brought up. From what I understand, at least since Reagan was in office, the Majority Leader will know of an intended filibuster before a bill is brought to the floor, and will then make a decision whether to actually engage on it or not.
          But I am no procedural expert.

          Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

          by Icicle68 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01:25 AM PST

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          •  That was true even when LBJ was leader (0+ / 0-)

            Civil rights legislation got push aside for years because of filibuster threat, and committee chairs would delay important measures to make it hard to bring up anything for which a filibuster was threatened because mandatory spending bills and such would be blocked. A little chess, a lot of checkers.

    •  Because then Reid would have no excuse (2+ / 0-)
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      betelgeux, Simplify

      for not passing liberal/progressive bills.  

      Fightinhg for Filibuster Reform.

      BILL MOYERS: So they've got the votes. How many votes do they have?

      LARRY COHEN: They have the 51 to do Senate Resolution Four. They just have to go and do it.

      BILL MOYERS: Next Tuesday?

      LARRY COHEN: Next Tuesday. They can absolutely do it if they choose to. On the other hand if they go with a rationale that says, "We want to have bipartisan support for this. We want to do it the old way," where technically they would have two thirds support to change the rules, then guess what? We're going see next to nothing change and two more years will go by and none of these bills will ever get discussed or debated all over again and we'll pretend to have a democracy that we don't have.

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