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  •  I hear what you are saying, (2+ / 0-)
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    anna shane, greenbell

    and I know Kerry, Edwards, and many others voted the same way, but it was a terrible mistake and we clearly know it now.

    Our deficit "problems" and much bloodshed resulted from that mistake.  It was a biggie.  

    I'm keeping an open mind on her.      

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    by TomP on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:55:12 AM PST

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    •  not the same way (3+ / 0-)
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      zinger99, oysterface, TomP

      I can't recall Kerry's public statements, but I believe both claimed to be for invasion and Hillary never once said that. She said she was in favor of allowing the inspectors to complete their jobs.  And had they, there would have been no invasion.

      "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

      by anna shane on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 12:06:33 PM PST

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      •  The problem was that neither Clinton nor... (4+ / 0-)
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        willyr, TomP, Eric Nelson, anna shane

        ...Kerry spoke up in opposition AFTER the vote when Bush went ahead with invasion. There is plenty to critique in that speech, and it has been critiqued many times, but this is an important caveat:

        I want to underscore that this administration began this debate with a resolution that granted exceedingly broad authority to the President to use force. I regret that some in the Congress rushed so quickly to support it. I would have opposed it. It gave the President the authority to use force not only to enforce all of the U.N. resolutions as a cause of war, but also to produce regime change in Iraq, and to restore international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region. It made no mention of the President's efforts at the United Nations or the need to build multilateral support for whatever course of action we ultimately would take.

        I am pleased that our pressure, and the questions we have asked, and the criticisms that have been raised publicly, the debate in our democracy has pushed this administration to adopt important changes, both in language as well as in the promises that they make.

        The revised White House text, which we will vote on, limits the grant of authority to the President to the use of force only with respect to Iraq. It does not empower him to use force throughout the Persian Gulf region. It authorizes the President to use Armed Forces to defend the "national security'' of the United States--a power most of us believe he already has under the Constitution as Commander in Chief. And it empowers him to enforce all "relevant'' Security Council resolutions related to Iraq. None of those resolutions or, for that matter, any of the other Security Council resolutions demanding Iraqi compliance with its international obligations, calls for a regime change. [...]

        When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable. And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein.

        Kerry gave too much away with his vote by trusting Bush. But Bush took more than Kerry gave.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:12:45 PM PST

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