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  •  Agreed, but making a distinction of who is... (2+ / 0-)
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    LeftyAce, mizzquagmire

    a citizen, resident, etc. after a conception creates many more victims, I think.

    I mean, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not an ethicist, but something suggests to me that if we start this business of making fetuses (feti, I jest using Latin 2nd Declension plural) citizens.

    Does one get a certificate of conception?

    Does such a "citizen" get a proxy vote? Instead early voting, in utero voting?

    I agree that the murder or the death of a pregnant person is twice as tragic, and that the issue of ending a pregnancy (without the consent of the woman who carries it) is equally tragic, and I could also argue that if a fetus is healthy, well on its way to being born healthy and deciding to end its progress is also tragic. I could go that far. But...

    But one's life and one's body is still one's own business. That's why murder is wrong and that's why physician-assisted suicide is not. That's why early abortion is the woman's decision only, and why late abortion requires consultation, consoling and heavy thinking.

    These things are not easy. But one thing is certain, the RCC is stepping into it big time, and I no longer give it (the clergy -- the people are different) any consideration whatsoever.

    And... this is too heavy a thing for one post. Make it a conversation, not a condemnation (except of the RCC).

    Thx. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

    by unclebucky on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 06:31:42 AM PST

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    •  Totally with you on (2+ / 0-)
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      unclebucky, mizzquagmire

      almost all points. I still think the citizenship issue is a red herring, since non-citizens can be the victims of crimes and enjoy legal protection against murder, etc. It would be absurd for the RW to classify a fetus as a citizen, but it would be equally insidious for them to classify fetuses as persons who are not yet citizens (the latter distinction occurring after birth, in line with the 14th amendment).

      The RCC has, once again, illustrated their immense hypocrisy in this case.

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