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    I live near Camp Lejeune--the number of rapes is disgusting.  In combat, one has to assume this will become more common-- also--how will women POWs be treated?

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:50:58 PM PST

    •  women POWs? they'll most likely be raped (0+ / 0-)
      •  You know something? (5+ / 0-)

        Women in all walks of life get raped every day. You don't have to be in combat, the military, or a pow.

        Women are also thinking beings who are not and who understand what the risks are if they choose, and can be successful, in combat roles. Because that choice makes men uncomfortable, too bad. I find it infuriating that we constantly get the "oh, women will be raped" as an excuse to not allow women an equal shot at a job they wish to have. If the women applying for these combat positions are okay with the potential risks, that is all that is relevant.

        Men really, really need to suck it up and quit treating women like they are fragile creatures who need protection from their own decisions.

        "No one has the right to spend their life without being offended." Philip Pullman

        by zaynabou on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:21:02 PM PST

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        •  that was supposed to be (0+ / 0-)

          "are not stupid"

          "No one has the right to spend their life without being offended." Philip Pullman

          by zaynabou on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:21:31 PM PST

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        •  infuriating (0+ / 0-)

          Ignoring fact--ignoring numbers--is so Republican.  There will be rapes--unless we have gender separation of combat troops.  Ugly truth--Camp Lejeune has many soldier to soldier rapes--as well as sexual harassment.  This needs to be stopped--but ignoring this truth is so infuriating.

          Apres Bush, le deluge.

          by melvynny on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 03:41:38 PM PST

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          •  I am not ignoring numbers (0+ / 0-)

            I sat through the Senate hearings on sexual assault in the military several years ago. But keeping women out of combat, rather than teaching men that raping IS NOT OKAY OR ACCEPTABLE, is another kind of blaming the victim. What needs to happen is not keeping women out of military, or out of certain positions in the military, but to change the culture that says that sexual harassment and assault is tolerated. Men who are not rapists will not rape, whether they are in a combat situation or not. Men who are rapists do rape, and the situation does not matter. Perhaps we need to look at who is joining the military, and why this behavior is tolerated.

            "No one has the right to spend their life without being offended." Philip Pullman

            by zaynabou on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 07:19:45 PM PST

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            •  we disagree (0+ / 0-)

              The military teaches aggression--combat situations often make "heroes" of murder--a great recipe to get the lowest form of beast like behavior.  Changing culture is a great ideal--but hasn't happened yet.  Ignoring this fact, to further equality, is wrong for my daughter--and for yours.  Since women will now also be drafted, it isn't by choice that they expose themselves to increased odds of getting raped--or sexually harassed by an officer with temporary omnipotence and the power of combat assignment.

              Apres Bush, le deluge.

              by melvynny on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:14:01 AM PST

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      •  There's been a long history of male pow's getting (0+ / 0-)

        raped.

        That doesn't seem to have stopped people from playing these bloody games.

        "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

        by JesseCW on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:55:16 PM PST

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      •  as in contrast to the total (0+ / 0-)

        non rape-ening of male POWs, riiiiiggghhhhttt. Don't get me wrong, it's just that being, becoming, a POW is generally not going to go well for you regardless of what you are before the fact. Unless you have red hair. I hear that red heads are scarry.

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