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  •  How sad it is (38+ / 0-)

    Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.  

    If I were a pro-choice activist I'd put a circle-slash coathanger logo on every communication.  There is a deep social memory of the bad old days, and such memories have a resonance that makes them powerful when called upon.  A generation ignorant of back-alley abortions and coathanger attempts at home -- let alone all the women who died from them -- will be powerfully repelled and scandalized when they learn of that social memory.

    Reminding people what abortion used to be like would put the "pro-life" nuts in the evil, hypocritical light they deserve.

    Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 04:21:49 PM PST

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    •  Those "doomed to repeat" it (24+ / 0-)

      won't necessarily be those people leading the anti-woman, anti-choice movement.

      For one thing, it's wildly unlikely the Supreme Court will outlaw abortion. More likely, they'd kick it back to the states, which is how it was before Roe v. Wade.  And you know exactly which states will make it illegal: the poorest states, the ones with the lowest wages and the worst education systems, the ones in the heart of the Bible Belt where the rates of divorce and violence are the highest — the ones with the greatest number of no-hopers.

      States like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Delaware will probably keep it legal. And that's great news for the wealthy southern belle in Mississippi who finds herself inconveniently knocked up. Daddy'll pay for a little "shopping spree" in the big city. Yeah, even if "Daddy" is a right-wing family-values state legislator. Anything for his little girl. Can't have HER life derailed.

      It's not so good for the dirt poor little 14-year-old working hard in school and dreaming of being the first in her family to go to college — but then she gets raped. Or her stepfather is molesting her. And she's got no choice and no where to go.

      There was this interesting article on Salon this week about the changing demographics of abortions.

      Outlaw them and it will only get worse. Men who hate women and women who hate women who aren't "good" married Christians like themselves don't care though.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 07:25:08 PM PST

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      •  Helped a young woman like that once (16+ / 0-)

        back in the day.  We travelled as a group to New York, paid a back alley guy, then booked a motel room to recover for one night, using all of the money we had left.  Things went badly and the girl nearly bled to death.   Finally got a freind of a friend of a friend who was in med school to come help us.  Took her a week to recover enough to drive home.  Two of us lost our jobs for being away from work too long.  It was a horrifying experience I'll never forget.  

        We need to take back our state legislatures!

      •  Just to pick a nit... (14+ / 0-)

        ...I really dislike hearing stuff like this.

        It's not so good for the dirt poor little 14-year-old working hard in school and dreaming of being the first in her family to go to college — but then she gets raped. Or her stepfather is molesting her. And she's got no choice and no where to go.
        Why do we always go to the 'rape' and 'incest' argument? It's a weak argument, because the Republicans can just turn around and say 'well I support exceptions for rape and incest, as long as you can absolutely prove that the woman was raped' or whatever wankery they pull out of their asses that day.

        How about the 14-year-old who has sex (with another 14-year-old), because 14-year-olds have sex? And breaks or mishandles the condom, or was never instructed on contraceptives in the first place? Or just does something stupid once and has sex without contraception, because 14-year-olds do stupid things sometimes, and that's just part of being 14?

        What about the 24-year-old woman who has sex and gets pregnant even though she's on the pill? Or has sex with her regular partner, gets pregnant, and then her partner freaks out and abandons her because he's not actually ready for a child? Or has sex fully intending to have a child, but then, upon being told she's pregnant, abruptly realizes that there's something in her life that makes this a bad time to have a child?

        Don't do it. Don't pull out the 'rape card'. Because you are not (or at least shouldn't be) arguing that only people who were raped deserve to be able to have abortions. I know the temptation is to make the person seeking an abortion as sympathetic a character as you can, and that's understandable. But showing off a victim and trying to make the person you're arguing with give her abortion their own seal of approval totally misses the point, which is that her abortion shouldn't ever need anyone's seal of approval except for hers.

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