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  •  I can see the usefulness (3+ / 0-)
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    Believe me there's plenty of combat jobs they can do.

    But you can make general without seeing combat---Petraeus did.  I was looking up to see what he got his CIB for and I can't find it.
    he never held  low level combat command in war. As fr as I can tell he never served in actual combat.
    notice he has the CIB anyway.

    Something else really noticeable here is the NINE rows of ribbons. This is the most I ever saw on a  soldiers chest.
    I could not find any picture of Eisenhower, Patton, Macarthur, Bradley with any more than 5 rows. (Audie Murohy: 3 rows) What do they give these medals for? Best looking lawn?
    this is resume polishing like we haven't seen since David HAckworth

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    by exlrrp on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 04:21:28 AM PST

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    •  His bronze star was a unit citation (3+ / 0-)
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      Somehow it does not seem right for a guy to get a bronze star for manning a desk while the mudfighters who earned it get shot at and blown up.  

      David Petraeus is an ego that walks like a man.

      The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

      by Otteray Scribe on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 04:24:50 AM PST

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      •  No they get them all the time (3+ / 0-)
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        There's two kinds of Bronze stars: with and without V.
        the V stands for---wait for it---valor.
        You get one for bravery and one for "meritorious," which cold be for running an efficent mess hall
        (no fooling! I don't have a Bronze Star---but the ex company clerk of my lrrp company does)

        The awards sytem is a corruptpolitical system heavily influenced by officers, many of who write the citations for  friends.

        The poster boy for this was David Hackworth. He had commanded the 101st Battalion I was in (1/327) leaving just before I got there.
        the 101st was notoriously stingy with medals. John Kerry would have gotten no medal in the 101st for blowing away that one guy, that was just business in the 101st. Geez, everybody I know would have gotten a medal for that! And yet he walked away after 6 months comnding with more medals than my whole company got in the 5.5 months i was witth them.

        It was obscene: 2 Silver Stars, 4 Bronze Stars, dunno how many Arcoms, 14 Air medals. he must have had a full time staff member just walking around writing him up!!
        I never knew ANYONE in the 101st that got an Airmedal, think you would have had to sleep in the helicopter to get that many. he was notorious for flying around, (being flown around) lannding and chasing after the enmy---a lt col Bn cmmanderr!!  Dumbass!! Thats not the Bn commanders job!! Just a real hot dog!!

        There's no justice in the world and least of all in war

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        by exlrrp on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:09:14 AM PST

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        •  Boorda killed himself over the V device (3+ / 0-)
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          admiral Mike Boorda killed himself having been busted (by Hackworth) wearing 2 unauthorized V devices.
          the difference is large bewteen V and nonV for people who know

          Wiki:

          Boorda died on May 16, 1996 from an apparent suicide, after allegedly shooting himself in the chest.[9] The autopsy results were never released to the public. Boorda reportedly also left two suicide notes; neither of which were released publicly, but the notes were said to have been addressed to his wife and to his Public Information Officer.[10] He was reported to have been distraught over a news media investigation, led by David Hackworth of Newsweek, into two Combat Distinguishing Devices (Combat "V") he wore on the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal and Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal service ribbons on his navy uniform. The "V' device is a miniature bronze letter "V" worn on suspension and service ribbons of certain medals and ribbons, indicating valor in combat; the media report claimed that Boorda was not entitled to wear them

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          by exlrrp on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:19:46 AM PST

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          •  I know that Vietnam was famous for (3+ / 0-)
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            unearned awards, but I am wondering if has gotten better since then, about the same, or worse.  

            One of my paternal great grandfather's rode up San Juan Hill with Teddy Roosevelt.  TR was armed with a saber in one hand and a pistol in the other.  Not many Lt. Col. rank officers lead a charge from the front.  TR was nominated for the Medal of Honor for that, but when he got into politics, it pissed off a lot of congressmen who refused to vote for the award.  It languished until Bill Clinton had a Republican congress and pushed it through almost a century late.   Come to think of it, Clinton awarded a lot of belated medals, especially to black and Asian troops who had earned them but never awarded due to racism.  

            The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

            by Otteray Scribe on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:28:17 AM PST

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            •  TR was another hot dog! (1+ / 0-)
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              Another macho man who wanted to say he commanded in combat.

              LBJ's Silver Star was considered to be political also

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              Johnson[who was then still in office as a Congressman but became a Naval reserve officer] reported to General Douglas MacArthur in Australia. Johnson and two Army officers went to the 22nd Bomb Group base, which was assigned the high risk mission of bombing the Japanese airbase at Lae in New Guinea. A colonel took Johnson's original seat on one bomber, and it was shot down with no survivors. Reports vary on what happened to the B-26 Marauder carrying Johnson. Lyndon Johnson said it was also attacked by Japanese fighters but survived, while others, including other members of the flight crew, claim it turned back because of generator trouble before reaching the objective and before encountering enemy aircraft and never came under fire, which is supported by official flight records.[20] Other airplanes that continued to the target did come under fire near the target at about the same time that Johnson's plane was recorded as having landed back at the original airbase. MacArthur awarded Johnson the Silver Star, the military's third-highest medal.[

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              by exlrrp on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:49:23 AM PST

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              •  re: LBJ (1+ / 0-)
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                Never looked at LBJ the same after I learned that years ago. With character like that you gotta wonder why the colonel took his seat on the flight tht crashed, like maybe LBJ stopped to tie his shoe or something on the way to get on the plane. yeah right.
                It could have happened.
                don't ever let ANBODY ever tell you its not a heavily influenced political system---plenty more stories

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                by exlrrp on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 07:39:27 AM PST

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              •  Of course TR was a hot dog (0+ / 0-)

                anyone who runs for, or becomes President has to have a pretty big ego as well as thick skin.  Difference between people like LBJ and Ronnie Raygun is that when it came to being a hot dog, at least TR was the real deal.  My PawPaw loved Col. Roosevelt, and would have crawled on broken glass for him.  PawPaw was there, and knew what his boss was made of.  PawPaw died when I was pretty young, but I still have clear memories of him, and a few pictures of him.  His son, my uncle, was a fighter pilot in WW-I.

                The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

                by Otteray Scribe on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:20:44 AM PST

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            •  Its gotten worse (1+ / 0-)
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              Petraeus is the poster child for that. You never saw a chest full of medals like that even in the Vietnam war.  the guy listens too much to his biographer

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              by exlrrp on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 06:08:39 AM PST

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    •  Only 5 rows (4+ / 0-)
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      And he was in combat, negotiated a peace treaty and won a war.

      Hobbs: "How come we play war and not peace?" Calvin: "Too few role models."

      by BOHICA on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 04:32:23 AM PST

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    •  lotta salad on his chest (3+ / 0-)
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      More than I also have seen in pics of Patton or Marshal or Eisenhower or even MacArthur (and Mac did not have an inferiority complex)  More than Blackjack Pershing and in WWI he was The Man; more than Smedley Butler who had two MoHs.  I suppose I could search farther but I concede that is the most I have ever seen, even in the movies, except for the comic opera colonels  

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