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  •  What's happening here is also happening... (34+ / 0-)

    ...around the globe. These thugs aren't just holding us ransom. That in no way excuses our government's enabling of this swindle, but I am unsure that even now if we started to take what would otherwise seem appropriate measures to begin prosecutions we'd see enough support to sustain the effort. Too many of our fellow citizens still believe it's "their" money, no matter how explicitly the case is made.

    The "cancer" may have spread to so many parts such that we are already beyond conventional "cure." Is confiscation even possible by any single sovereign entity when the perp is a global creature with potentially dozens of "escape tunnels?"

    I just want to know what the game plan could be. I'm having a difficult time imagining how this particular "Normandy Invasion" could be planned, executed and reinforced. And maybe even that metaphor is too small for the task at hand.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 12:15:56 AM PST

    •  A figurative yet real populist coup a la Gandhi. (7+ / 0-)

      Millions of people on the ground in D.C., indefinitely, gathering on the Mall EVERY SINGLE DAY, in ever greater, not decreasing numbers.

      That not only takes solidarity, it takes planning and organization on a massive scale.

      Frankly, as with Climate Change, there is ONLY one way, and until the broad middle wakes up, yeah, we are all doomed to this Groundhog Day 2.0 in which the events repeat themselves, but the initial status is worse.

      It ain't Sonny & Cher's "I Got You Babe", it's Athur Brown's "Fire".

      Think of the broad middle as Ned Ryerson.

      The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

      by Words In Action on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 07:13:23 AM PST

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      •  That's what needs to happen. I want to see that (4+ / 0-)

        happen.

      •  They already know how to make that (0+ / 0-)

        ineffective and neutered. For the smart way to do protest please see my (3 months before Occupy) diary http://www.dailykos.com/...


        Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

        by Jim P on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:15:40 AM PST

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        •  I don't think (2+ / 0-)
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          they have any plans for stopping millions of people in D.C., a city of 600,000, day-in and day-out on an open-ended basis.

          But I'll check your diary, too. Heck, I may have already read it.

          The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

          by Words In Action on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28:37 AM PST

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          •  Easy. Don't report it. (See the precedent (1+ / 0-)
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            with the first 200k-strong anti-Iraq war protest in DC). Arrest and detain organizers. (See Occupy.) Attack with tear-gas, rubber bullets, if need be the sound and heat weapons.

            It's only kids who can get there for extended protests anyway. People are either dirt-poor, or are clinging to their jobs and/or have family to care for. You'll never get 600,000 for an extended event. Maybe, maybe, for a one-day affair. That won't bother the 1% in the least.


            Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

            by Jim P on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:39:00 AM PST

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            •  Not 600K. (3+ / 0-)
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              3 MILLION.

              They can't arrest, detain or intimidate 3M people. Best they can do is attack the fringes.

              Oh, I agree it'll probably never happen.

              But it would work. And it's THE ONLY THING that would.

              The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

              by Words In Action on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:57:56 AM PST

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              •  Again, you can get them out for 1 day, max. (1+ / 0-)
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                And all the proven demonstration-neutralizing methods still available to the 1%'s agents.

                My idea, you can get 10 million out seven days a week for months on end AND stymie every suppression technique.

                Everybody who walks down a street anywhere will be exposed to the idea, no middlemen media-heads interpreting for you.

                And it could easily work. No central organization, no travel hassles, no time-commitments you can't afford, no cost beyond pen and paper....


                Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

                by Jim P on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 11:29:02 AM PST

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                •  Why do you believe Americans are a deficient (0+ / 0-)

                  breed of humanity, without the courage or dedication of the Chinese, or of Indians, or of Egyptians?

                  This seems to me to a reverse strain of American Exceptionalism.

                  Not only can we do it, we've done it before.

                  "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

                  by JesseCW on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 01:27:38 PM PST

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            •  If you show up on Sunday at 9 and go home (1+ / 0-)
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              when the permits expire, all you've done is have a nice day out and hopefully made some cool friends.

              The Bonus Army did more to give us the New Deal than any other single event in US history.

              And you can bet your ass it wasn't just "kids".

              "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

              by JesseCW on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 01:25:49 PM PST

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        •  Love your idea (2+ / 0-)
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          as a conversation shifter, a la "the 99%". But I don't see it actually putting enough pressure to cause specific, substantive change.

          What we need is for millions of people to get behind a concrete set of demands to put the Class War on ice and set a national 15 year agenda to hit Climate Change hard.

          The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

          by Words In Action on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:34:22 AM PST

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          •  But shifting the conversation is the first (3+ / 0-)

            thing we have to do. You can only do that by by-passing entirely the mass-reach Media (even forcing them to note the topic); being too spread out to concentrate armed agents against; being too diffuse to target prominent organizers.

            They've long long ago perfected how to suppress/neutralize mass demonstrations.

            In short, you have to figure out how to force everyone in power to recognize we know they are corrupt through-and-through. The political class and media faces have to feel, wherever they appear, that people are looking at them thinking "you piece of lying shit."

            As to the message: I just put what is in the diary as a place-holder, though one with merit. But a specific demand would have to be worked out collectively, and can be.


            Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

            by Jim P on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:45:10 AM PST

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    •  No, it's about right (3+ / 0-)

      D-Day was HUGE, in conception, planning and implementation, not just for its time, but for any time. And it came late in the war, after years of discussion and planning, and several smaller-scale "trial runs", some spectacular failures.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 07:13:33 AM PST

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    •  that is exactly what I think, egalitare, (8+ / 0-)

      multinational companies, globalization; call it what you will, a supra government is emerging transcending nation states, and I don't think that there is an effin thing we can do about it.

      Its all tied up in allowing companies to go multi, allowing them all their tax dodges for outsourcing, not going after offshore accounts.  They have grown into mega monsters...

      They are looting and subduing prosperous nations with all their fancy 'banking' and repressive economic measures.  They owe no allegiance to the citizens of the countries they 'claim' to be their base, since their wealth does not depend on them.  Just research the health insurance industry and see how their overseas ventures have inured them from having to 'behave' stateside.  They can all thumb their noses at all, continue to buy the government and act like their poster boy, Romney, as the true 'vulture capitalists' that they are.  They are systematically decimating their true opposition: labor and forcing whole swaths of the population (47%) into such economic insecurity that they are willing serfs.

      Good bye the United States of America, hello the Disunited States of Exxon, etc.  (Remember the 'divide and conquer' strategy; I don't think that the astroturf 'teaparty' probably engineered by Alec is a coincidence.)

      So that's what I think.  I have no answers but believe it is important to, as much as possible, to be clear eyed about what is going on.

      We Must DISARM THE NRA The next life you save may be ONE OF YOUR OWN!

      by SeaTurtle on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 07:19:23 AM PST

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    •  that is indeed the crux of the matter (8+ / 0-)
      The "cancer" may have spread to so many parts such that we are already beyond conventional "cure." Is confiscation even possible by any single sovereign entity when the perp is a global creature with potentially dozens of "escape tunnels?"
      Corporations (all of them, not just the banks) are global.  National governments (even big and powerful ones like ours) are not. Anything we do to them here, they can avoid in a heartbeat simply by pulling up stakes and moving somewhere else. The corporations own the entire chessboard and can move their pieces wherever they want--national governments only own one or two squares.

      Any meaningful control over multinational corporations simply CANNOT happen at the national-government level. The corporations are global, and control over them must be global as well.

      Currently, there is only one option available to do that---write those controls into the very same global economic structures that govern international trade and the institutions that enforce them---GATT, WTO and IMF. But in the long term, we need new international economic bodies with the authority and ability to control the corporations anywhere on the chessboard.

    •  Still, NATO manages to have meetings. (2+ / 0-)
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      How many divisions does Goldman-Sachs have?

      Nations are able to coordinate all manner of things. We can get divisions into Mali at the drop of a hat. So it's really a case that the banker/corporate floating state has to be shut down everywhere and close to simultaneously, within a matter of months. But it can be done. All that's lacking are politicians concerned about their populace and nations as their first priority.


      Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

      by Jim P on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:13:20 AM PST

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      •  Boy what a grand vision (1+ / 0-)
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        If you can detail the steps necessary to do that I'm all ears cause I just can't envision that all coming together.  

        "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

        by artmartin on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:43:18 AM PST

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        •  It would have to start with politicians (1+ / 0-)
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          seeing their nations as more valuable than their personal wealth and career (both political and the later pay-off with bank jobs). After that point it's easy-peasey.


          Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

          by Jim P on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:47:19 AM PST

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