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  •  Furthermore (40+ / 0-)

    As was explained in one of my Women in History classes, all men can claim the privileges of being the "fighting" sex even though not all men actually enter the military AND serve in combat. Keeping women out of recognized combat roles preserved this fiction that men are the fighters and women the breeders, even as society changed all around it. That the last two wars had mothers in uniform and firing weapons in defense of fellow soldiers should have put an end to this myth, but, as we all know, backwards-thinking is remarkably tenacious.

    Radarlady, who hopes to see the ERA passed in the next ten years...

    •  What about the Selective Service System? (19+ / 0-)

      It only stands to reason, given that we are now entering a post-gender phase of society, that we should be including young women in the Selective Service System and applying penalties should they fail to register.

      While I'm thinking about it, now might be a good time to also address to woefully low number of men working in the education and child care sectors.

      •  This was PRECISELY (14+ / 0-)

        the argument used against ERA in the seventies.  Not that it would put women in combat -- there had been women in combat in the Civil War and both World Wars, and we all knew it -- but that it would make women subject to The Draft.  At a time when the draft itself was highly controversial and a lot of people wouldn't have voted to make the MEN subject to it if they'd had a chance to make the decision.

        I suggest the opposite.  Since we've all secretly acknowledged that actual re-activation of the draft would be political suicide for a military disaster (modern combat just requires too much training for "six-week wonders" to be effective), let's just get rid of registration and the Selective Service altogether.  The Republicans are always agitating for government programs to chop.

        •  And if we can't get rid of Selective Service? (6+ / 0-)

          I am far from fond of the Selective Service System; indeed, one of the more negative aspects of my immigration process was discovering that I had been automatically enrolled in Selective Service, but not in the Social Security System (not that it mattered, given that new immigrants are effectively barred from drawing benefits for their first decade of residence); and that furthermore, as a non-citizen, I could not vote in the presidential election and therefore had no choice in the person ultimately tasked with deciding whether or not I might serve this country in military capacity.

          Having said this, I do recognize that there is a national need, in times of great emergency (the Vietnam War need not apply), to call upon the citizenry (and legal permanent residents, as the case may be) and direct these individuals in such a way as benefits the whole. Essentially, I believe that reinstating the draft appears politically non-viable at present only because there have been no occasions in recent memory in which it would be truly warranted. Given an appropriate degree of danger to the very fabric of this nation,  I believe the notion could actually become quite palatable.

          This being the case, why not go ahead and begin registering young women in the Selective Service System? Best case scenario, no future emergency emerges warranting their mobilization and the matter is moot; worst case scenario, such a situation arises and we will proceed to tackle it in gender-blind way appropriate to this day and age.

        •  That's why I posted this in the first place. (5+ / 0-)

          Schlafly was the main proponent playing on the heart strings with images of mothers torn from the bosom of their families by a cruel draft -- which these people supported wholeheartedly for OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN.  Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.  Pushing this point now puts it back on display once again.

          Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, before the police arrive ... teachers are first responders.

          by 8ackgr0und N015e on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:00:51 PM PST

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        •  No, cynndara. Let's bring *back* the draft (3+ / 0-)
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          Mindful Nature, whaddaya, radarlady

          NO entitlements, this time. If women can serve in combat so can students or spouses.

          Put the GOP's precious children at as much risk as the 99%'s kids, and see how many wars of choice get prosecuted.

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

          by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 03:37:10 PM PST

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        •  isn't this a pretty picture (2+ / 0-)
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          no one says anything about the draft since 9/11 and even then it was whether or not to reactivate it. The moment that equality for women is achieved.. NOW IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF IT? It was alright to send young men to die in wars against people they had no qualms with but not women?

        •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)
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          whaddaya, worldlotus, radarlady

          Rather than lifting the ban on women & combat, I'd like to see it extended to men too.

    •  Let's do it sooner... (3+ / 0-)
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      kyril, radarlady, SilentBrook

      20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

      by the dogs sockpuppet on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:02:10 AM PST

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    •  I always wonder how the loudest male voices (6+ / 0-)

      maintaining the fiction also live under a mutual autobiographical fiction depicting their own "toughness" and "patriotism," even promoting themselves as protectors of women, yet so few of these males have ever seen combat. My work has allowed me to meet with, talk to, and interview a number of women combat veterans of our most recent two wars. You and 8ackgr0und N015e are very right--the price has been paid and is being paid many times over, a price that too many blowhards on the Right pay only in gaseous emissions, and vicariously living in war myths created by other mouthpieces. It's not that serving in combat should be or is the decisive issue over passing ERA, it is that the reality of KIA and wounded sisters (and the brothers with whom they served), including those psychologicially wounded, which are most vets, is the cudgel with which to bludgeon the blowhards' fiction into comic books, where it belongs.

      I discover myself on the verge of a usual mistake. ― Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

      by dannyboy1 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 11:32:12 AM PST

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