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  •  When a guy carries a backpack full of 19 10-round (12+ / 0-)

    magazines, and uses 17 of them in a shooting, as Cho appears to have done, is he really limited by the capacity of the individual magazines?

    I'll tell you who's limited by 10 rounds - the guy who isn't planning for a fight, but has to grab a weapon in haste when one starts.

    Certainly not the psychos who bring backpacks full of magazines.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 11:43:08 AM PST

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    •  try to focus (6+ / 0-)

      not on your cherry-picked examples, but on the broad swath of examples. because in other cases, lives would have been saved. and cho would have been stopped if there had been limits on how much can be bought over a period of time. but again- there have been other mass killings, where this ban would have stopped or limited the carnage. some of us think it's worth limiting such carnage.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 11:52:11 AM PST

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      •  Mass shootings *are* cherry-picked examples (10+ / 0-)

        by their very nature. They're incredibly rare (0.006 per 100,000 population, down ~30% in the last 30 years). The big public ones even more so. Every single one will be contingent on specifics of the event.

        Your claim that "lives would have been saved" simply is not borne out by any reliable facts. It's a bare assertion, disputed by the report for the DoJ cited above.

        Hell, I even know which shootings you're going to cite (Aurora & the attack on Giffords), and those don't even help your case - those appear to be instances of magazines that were so large they failed to feed into the chamber properly (typical for 100 round drums) or jammed in the magazine well in loading (not uncommon in ~30-round pistol magazines that are longer than the magazine well of the gun; I've experienced it myself at the range). There's no reason to believe that standard capacity magazines (15 for full-frame pistol, 30 for semi-auto rifle) would have experienced either failure mode those shooters suffered, nor would obligate 10-rounders that had comparable form factors.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 12:42:56 PM PST

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        •  While it's quite true that mass shootings at... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...a tiny fraction of the total, they are NOT down 30% in the past 30 years. Based on four or more victims per incident, the graph charts incidents catalogued by the FBI since 1980:

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:17:53 PM PST

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          •  You are misreading me. I did not say the total (1+ / 0-)
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            number of mass shooting incidents was down 30% in the last 3 decades. I said the rate per 100,000 population is down 30%. I'm quite familiar with that particular chart.

            Total incidents have hovered steady at ~20 per year. In that time, the US population has increased 35% (from 232 million in 1982 to 314 million in 2012). This translates into a decline in per 100,000 population incidents of about 28%.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:29:16 PM PST

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