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  •  REAL proportional allotment would be fine (4+ / 0-)
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    What the GOP is proposing is not proportional allotment at all. Rather than trying to achieve a proportional allotment of the vote, they are using the gerrymander to disenfranchise urban areas that vote Democratic.

    If we had proportional allotment in Congressional and Presidential elections, Obama would stil be President, and Democrats would control the House. If they want proportional allotment of votes in the States, that's fine -- but it must be done on a statewide basis, not under a gerrymandered district--based system that is designed to make some votes count more than others.

    Personally, I'd like to see someone challenge these laws in court. Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's declaration that it should not be a precedent, the equal protection argument that the Court seized on to install George Bush as President would not support these electoral college "reforms".

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    by FischFry on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 07:06:42 AM PST

    •  Unfortunately, (0+ / 0-)

      the way the country has been gerrymandered after the 2010 census, proportional representation in 2012 would have given Mitt Romney the White House, I think.

      •  But, that is not proportional representation (0+ / 0-)

        Proportional representation does not involve winner-take-all districts. It would mean dividing a state's congressional delegation to reflect the popular vote in that state....meaning that Democrats would (probably -- I haven't seen a state-by-state breakdown) have won the Congress and the White House.

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        by FischFry on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 07:25:32 AM PST

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        •  So in the system you (0+ / 0-)

          describe, are all the representatives, statewide representatives?  Does that make the House more like the Senate?

          •  It's a good question.... (0+ / 0-)

            I don't know enough about how parliamentary systems do it. The UK parliament, I gather does have district elections -- and some gerrymandering...whereas other countries I think are more clearly proportional. I would prefer the latter, but there could still be a district system, where parties allot their seats to members, who would function as representatives of a district. I"m not sure how that would or should work. You ask a good question.

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            by FischFry on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 09:12:44 AM PST

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    •  How does it disenfranchise urban voters? (0+ / 0-)

      You are arguing that urban voters not only get the electors from their own district, but are entitled to the electors of other districts as well???

      From one point of view, a granular system that apportions electoral votes by district actually prevents disenfranchisement!

      •  What point of view is that? (0+ / 0-)

        The GOP has drawn maps that shove all the Democrats into a small handful of districts, giving them reliable majorities in most districts. That's how gerrymandering works to disenfranchise urban voters that vote Democratic in most states, though it can also be gerrymandered to divide up solid Republican areas in the way Maryland did last time to defeat a long-time GOP rep.

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        by FischFry on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 09:16:12 AM PST

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        •  And how Illinois did it (0+ / 0-)

          here at the same time the GOP was doing it in other states.  Take a look at Illinois district maps if you want to see Dem gerrymandering taken to an art form.

          I have a good friend who would interject at this point - "Boo-effin-hoo.. shit happens".

          When both parties are as ruthless about gerrymandering as are both the Dems and GOP, one side cannot cry "foul" the next time they are bested in one state or another.

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