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  •  Yes this sucks, but there are a few small details (2+ / 0-)
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    jamess, KenBee

    ..that both Ezra Klein and David Waldman point out.
    First Ezra Klein interviews Harry Reid - caving:
    Harry Reid: ‘I’m not personally, at this stage, ready to get rid of the 60-vote threshold’
    Then what Klein believes comes next:
    Why filibuster reform failed, and where it might go next One point that Ezra Klein and long before that, David Walman has made is:

    6. That said, if the next Republican majority turns around and eliminates or severely circumscribes the filibuster, as they tried to do in 2005, boy will the Democrats have egg on their face!

    [Although egg in the face isn't what worries me coming from the republicans] - comment in brackets are mine

    The republicans have proven time and time again that they wouldn't hesitate to use the constitutional option to change the rules, in fact they have proven they would do it mid-session (so called nuclear option) the Dems that worry about losing the use of the filibuster when (possibly) being a minority is just dumb to worry over.

    And David Waldman incovers some details that may not get enough notice, cuz the're buried in the weeds.
    Takeaways from the filibuster fight - by David Waldman

    So there are valuable/incremetal changes but still, this sucks.

    Then again the 3/5ths 60 vote supermajority still remained the threshold in the proposed rule changes, and only Tom Harkins ideas got us to a guarnateed simple majority.

    Reid knew this:

    “The only way we’ll get rid of the filibuster is if it continues to be abused,” he said. “Hopefully, what we’ll do here will stop some of the abuse, but what will happen if the minority continues to abuse the rules is we won’t get rid of the filibuster, but we’ll go to something like what [Sen. Tom] Harkin has pushed, where one vote is at 57, and then another vote is at 55.”
    ..and still thought that a handshake would cut it - Well it does not imo

    Thx jamess - I know, too long comment but this really set me off.

    •  thanks Eric (3+ / 0-)
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      Eric Nelson, Burned, Words In Action

      for trying to find the silver lining(s) in this Monsoon.

      Me, I've about had it.

      I'm this close to ignoring politics altogether,

      and getting on with my life,

      and my many other time-consuming interests.

      Fighting for change, only to get more of the same,

      make me feel like an idealist fool.

      Think I'll go join Wall Street,
      make a few million bucks,
      and forget about this lost cause

      called "Hope and Change"

      ... because one has no basis in reality,

      and the other, barely ever happens.

      If you can keep up the "good fight" after all this Eric Nelson,

      you are a better man than me.  Semper Fi

      Me, I'm fed up to here, with DC weasels.

      and how they can easily ignore the will of the people.

      Here's how the game is really Rigged.

      by jamess on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:44:40 PM PST

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      •  David Waldmans words: check this out.. (1+ / 0-)
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        So, are we done with filibuster reform? Is this the last we'll see of any changes? Certainly we should not consider the job done. But it's also still possible that Harry Reid won't consider it finished either. And that's likely part of the bargain. Mitch McConnell remembers Oct. 6, 2011, even if the rest of us don't. If things get out of hand again, this is a tool Reid carries in his back pocket.
        Even more important, though, is that we remember the part we played in the drama. And here it's important to note both the historic nature of our ability to force our way into the most insider-y of insider games, and how little even all our shouting, begging, cajoling, petitioning, and e-mailing really moves the needle. It does move, but it suggests that major change is going to be a long term project, and is going to require us to multiply our force by a couple orders of magnitude. - emphasis added
        That is why you've got to stick around jamess

        This is you - Makin a difference !

        •  maybe so (2+ / 0-)
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          Eric Nelson, Words In Action

          but still the pace of change,

          is still way, way too slow.

          I'll be old and gray before they even get anywhere close -- to even discussing -- what I want.

          Franklin D. Roosevelt's “The Economic Bill of Rights”

          -- Franklin D. Roosevelt American Heritage Center

          In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

          Among these are:

          The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

          The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

          The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

          The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

          The right of every family to a decent home;

          The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

          The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

          The right to a good education.

          All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

          America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.

          Sadly most of FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights never got enacted into Law -- it got all caught up in Political gridlock, or something.

          The People still deserve these things -- now more than ever.  

          Yet STILL the People are being served a continuing and unending menu of GOP Gridlock,

          with a side of Conserva-dems as a calamari appetizer.

          Uummmh Good!@!     not.

          Here's how the game is really Rigged.

          by jamess on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:22:56 PM PST

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      •  DC weasels would like nothing better (1+ / 0-)
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        than for people like you to quit caring what goes on there.
        I don't do much writing on the internet James, but I do a LOT of talking with people I'm around, and I use what I learn here from people that gather the facts all in a need handy bundle.

        So please do enjoy those other things that interest you to keep a good balance in your life, but please DON'T stop digging up your facts and posting them here.

        •  thanks Burned (1+ / 0-)
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          that's good to hear,

          and very good to know.

          It's feels so futile to me sometime,

          In terms of terms of time invested,

          vs real world results back out.

          Maybe it does help.  however slowly.

          Here's how the game is really Rigged.

          by jamess on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:26:15 PM PST

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          •  too slow (1+ / 0-)
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            sometimes so slow we can't even see it, and sometimes so slow it goes backwards.
            But we have to keep trying or they win and it all goes bad at an accelerated rate with no chance to pull up.

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