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  •  it may be the greatest bill in the world but. . . (2+ / 0-)
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    . . .logic will not win over those with cognitive dissonance. I know many Republicans that have been helped by government programs, many even receiving government checks, but they remained locked into the idea that Repubicans are good (and fiscally responsible! cough, cough, gag) and Democrats are bad.

    I don't know how you win those people over, perhaps with a two by four to the head. Logic and great legislation won't do it.

    •  Hardcore teabaggers can't be won over. (2+ / 0-)
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       But this bill will resonate withmost Seniors, most people over 40 in fact, who depend on or will depend on Social Security in the foreseeable future.
        And there's nothing abstract here. It's about much-needed, well-earned, cold hard cash. It'd be tough for anyone wanting to win an election in this Natioon to turn their backs on such a core program as this.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:00:17 PM PST

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    •  You Don't Win Them Over By Shutting Up and (2+ / 0-)
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      ignoring them as we did in 09-10.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:20:16 PM PST

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      •  good point (1+ / 0-)
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      •  A bill that has doesn't have a single co-sponsor, (1+ / 0-)
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        that's been read twice and referred to the Finance Committee, but never had a roll call vote, is not likely to win over very many people IMO.

        If Begich can get a vote and passage through the Senate, THEN he may have something.

        But until that time, this is simply a very short bill (the size of an amendment) to the 1986 Social Security Act that is sitting dormant in committee.

        Please check out Joan McCarter's diary.  Senator Schumer is in the process NOW of negotiating, and trying to set up the cut to Social Security that is known as "the Chained CPI."  [This, along with cuts to Medicare, would be done in exchange for raising taxes, per The Hill piece that I have linked to below.]  

        Schumer hopes to achieve this by the passage of a joint budget resolution.

        And here's the link to The Hill piece regarding this process.

        I am afraid that he may have lost his window of opportunity.  If he is serious about this bill, he truly needs to act on it ASAP.  

        And I would be enthusiastically cheering him on, I assure you.  :-)


        “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

        by musiccitymollie on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 07:23:26 PM PST

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        •  BTW, pdc, I've rec'd this diary, and thank you for (0+ / 0-)

          publishing it.

          To put it bluntly, however, I believe that "time is of the essence" for a couple of reasons.

          Once a law is signed and enacted that cuts Social Security and/or Medicare, it will definitely be a "blot" on the Democrats' legacy.

          And I'm truly convinced that a great deal of damage will be done to the Democratic Party that will last for some years.

          The second concern is that once the first round of cuts are made to Social Security, it is no longer "the third rail of politics."

          And this may open the program up to repeated cuts.  At the minimum, I fear that it will make it easier for lawmakers to vote to enact the two other cuts that the President's Fiscal Commission recommends--raising the FRA to age 69, and 'means testing' Social Security.

          So, I sincerely salute your, and anyone else's efforts to put forward an alternate plan.

          But if there is not a strong sense of urgency in regard to moving this legislation, I imagine that the entire discussion and undertaking will soon become a moot point.


          “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

          by musiccitymollie on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:20:40 PM PST

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