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  •  Interesting how both the film and MM (2+ / 0-)
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    ignore the fake vaccination campaign that the Obama Administration used as a means to assassinate OBL.

    Which in the long run could easily make the 600,000 Iraqi kids sacrificed by the Clinton Administration look puny in comparison.  Hopefully SoS Kerry will be as adept as Madeline Albright in putting forth the "but it was worth the price" argument. . . .

    •  This is quite misleading. It was a "fake (1+ / 0-)
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      vaccination program" in the sense that it was secretly sponsored by the CIA, not the usual health authorities, but the vaccines used were real vaccine from what I can read. It also was conducted in a very small area and involved a small number of children. Not a parallel for the harm done to civilians by an embargo program.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:11:41 PM PST

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      •  I think he might be referring to (3+ / 0-)
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        the great harm done to vaccination programs in Pakistan, perhaps elsewhere, due to the irrational anger toward health workers and the overall mistrust of any vaccination programs now -- blowback from the vaccination program used to identify and locate bin Laden.  There have been statements about this by the World Health Organization, the UN, other organizations.  Some are urging that an executive order be used to mitigate this situation.

        An Executive Order That Could Save Children Here and Abroad

        It is a vital moment for the world community to do everything it can to encourage vaccination, especially against polio.  The last few decades have seen massive global progress against infectious disease thanks to vaccine programs.  Worldwide, 16% of infants were vaccinated against measles in 1980 compared to 85% in 2010.  In 1980, the disease killed 2.6 million people a year; that number was down to 139,000 in 2010.  And we are on the very cusp of completely wiping out polio worldwide –that disease may follow smallpox onto the ash-heap of defeated human scourges.  Only a couple of generations back, tens of thousands of Americans were left paralyzed by polio while three thousand died.  Global eradication would free Americans from that threat for ever.

        But the sad events in Pakistan and Afghanistan are only the latest in a line of setbacks for the battle against infectious disease linked to allegations of US intelligence services using vaccination programs as part of operations.  Not least, efforts to contain a polio outbreak in Kano, Nigeria in 2003 that might have put us on the path to global polio eradication by now were derailed when imams and local political leaders called for a boycott of the polio vaccination campaign.  They claimed (without evidence) that the vaccine program was part of a U.S. sterilization plot.

        Given that, a declaration by the US that public health interventions will not be used to gather intelligence could play a vital role in tipping the balance towards successful polio eradication –and enhance US national security.  Such a declaration has been proposed in a letter sent to President Obama this Monday signed by the deans of America’s top public health schools.  I suggest this could be modeled on –and inserted into– Executive Order 12333 which mandates that “No element of the Intelligence Community shall sponsor, contract for, or conduct research on human subjects except in accordance with guidelines issued by the Department of Health and Human Services,” and bans engagement in or conspiracy towards assassination and actions intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:27:59 PM PST

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      •  Why are you invested in spreading (5+ / 0-)

        these lies, it is really quite abominable to me.

        But whatever, that's the country we live in.

        In any event, the foreign media isn't afraid to call a duck a duck

        CIA organised fake vaccination drive to get Osama bin Laden's family DNA

        The doctor went to Abbottabad in March, saying he had procured funds to give free vaccinations for hepatitis B. Bypassing the management of the Abbottabad health services, he paid generous sums to low-ranking local government health workers, who took part in the operation without knowing about the connection to Bin Laden. Health visitors in the area were among the few people who had gained access to the Bin Laden compound in the past, administering polio drops to some of the children.

        Afridi had posters for the vaccination programme put up around Abbottabad, featuring a vaccine made by Amson, a medicine manufacturer based on the outskirts of Islamabad.

        In March health workers administered the vaccine in a poor neighbourhood on the edge of Abbottabad called Nawa Sher. The hepatitis B vaccine is usually given in three doses, the second a month after the first. But in April, instead of administering the second dose in Nawa Sher, the doctor returned to Abbottabad and moved the nurses on to Bilal Town, the suburb where Bin Laden lived.

        bottom line, for this vaccine to be effective, three doses are required (not ONE!!!) - in this "vaccination campaign" the physicians administering it went willy nilly here and there to try to find OBL, NOT vaccinate the kids properly.

        that's why this is called A FAKE vaccination campaign.  Because that's exactly what it was for fuck's sake.

        •  Birth, 1 - 2 months, then 6 - 18 months (2+ / 0-)
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          That's the hep-B vaccination schedule.

          I have no idea if the program was used for intelligence gathering, and am certain that it could have been. I wouldn't be surprised if it was. However, the timing of one month post-vaccination is not conclusive of anything.

          A two-month schedule is well within the norm. So that one-month time-frame is not proof of anything, unless there is also proof that there was no intention of returning at 2 months.

          The western standard of one-month vaccination happens to coincide with the regularly scheduled one-month check-up for infants, but it is not the only vaccination option, and is only half of the time window for that vaccination.

          After watching 9-11 truthers turn themselves into pretzels over "evidence" that they want to believe, I have a higher threshold for evidence, now.  

          Again, I am sure it's possible, even likely, but the evidence described is circumstantial, not conclusive.

        •  And the doctor was sent to jail for his part in (0+ / 0-)

          the capture and assassination of OBL.

          ❧To thine ownself be true

          by Agathena on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 06:50:06 PM PST

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