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  •  You need an "a" in Colorado in the title ) (6+ / 0-)

    "Maybe we should march on the campus of the electoral college and occupy it until they change their vote"--some wingnut, Worldnetdaily

    by chicago minx on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 12:12:07 PM PST

    •  Thanks (8+ / 0-)

      done

      (hits face with palm of hand)

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 12:30:47 PM PST

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      •  Much too small for a face palm when (8+ / 0-)

        we have so many unbelievably stupid triggers every day. Like your diary shows.  My problem is every time I hear some RW guy talking hard core freedom, liberty vs tyranny and claiming to be a marine, Sandberg may come to mind.

        Morrison, known for the awesome Red Rocks Amphitheater, is 10 miles SW of where I live. Very cool town in the foothills with a lot of local craft businesses that have plenty of Denver area buyers supporting them. The town pop is < 1000, very crowded into a small valley.

        One of those IEDs going off, possibly more once one was exploding, could have caused a lot of destruction and more than likely some deaths.

        Yes, we need the ATF funding and staffing increased to reasonable levels.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:53:30 PM PST

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        •  I used to live in Colorado so I know the area well (7+ / 0-)

          Just was too quick on the trigger.  Is the Fort restaurant in Morrison still open for business?  First Bison steak I ever ate was there.

          Ps.  Went to Wheat Ridge HS in Jeffco, CSU undergrad and CU law school, so I lived all over the front range, or at least the Northern part of it.  Never lived in the Springs or Pueblo.  Wish I lived right now in Telluride, lol.

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:02:29 PM PST

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          •  The Fort is open. :) (8+ / 0-)

            I should have gone to the link before commenting. That is really scary. I highly recommend it and the news video. Turns out he is in an urban area of Morrison that is away from the old town area. Still has plenty of houses in harms way when

            Sandberg claimed that the kill zone for his “frags” was 20-meters and the hurt zone was 60-meters, the affidavit said .
            Those short on time, scan this,
            Sandberg explained to Abraham that he was ready to die and that a Marine Special Forces Reconnaissance team would need to take him out because civilian SWAT teams did not have the capability. He showed the ATF agent Kevlar ballistic panels and iron doors with “gun turret/cut outs” that he used to fortify his home in case of a siege. Sandberg said that he was in possession of a Berretta pistol, an H&K .45 pistol, an AR-15 5.56 mm rifle and a .50-caliber rifle. And he suggested that at least one of the weapons had been illegally converted into a fully-automatic machine gun.

            “Sandberg also stated that he was in possession of several thousand rounds of ammunition and also in possession of uranium-tipped, armor-piercing ammunition,” the affidavit noted.

            His place was classic fantasy of many gun rights zealots. He was a lot closer than many of them to being really well prepared to do as much damage as possible. The video reports he told the undercover agents if his home was raided by law enforcement, a lot of them would die.  

            So, he was raided by the ATF, with many huge vehicles and small on his property or in the street. No resistance, no deaths....  Obviously not really ready to defend himself and die.  Mental illness, addiction or both? Still want to know if he was a Marine.

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:42:08 PM PST

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            •  Or One of Ted Nugent's (2+ / 0-)
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              buddies.

              Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

              by tikkun on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:43:23 PM PST

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            •  if he had a connexion (1+ / 0-)
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              he could maybe get the DU ammunition (not exactly surplus, more gray-market type thing). he'd have to either know or be a machinist to convert either a '15 or a 50-cal to full-auto.

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              by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 07:35:15 PM PST

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              •  He could easily have been blowing hot air. (1+ / 0-)
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                In 12 years of home care, I ran into a fair number of individuals who had learned skills at mastery level without any formal training. The undercover agents were apparently shown some stuff. The raid was finished by late afternoon. He had a wife and kid, may well have been very careful with storage. Which would make collecting it to remove easier. Or some of it wasn't as much as he bragged.

                I think it could be a goldmine of info if he really had a lot of illegal stuff. Depends on whether he kept any records - receipts, packaging- that would lead them to his sources. It will be great if they release everything that doesn't endanger follow up investigations. Just because I think most Americans don't really believe there are people this determined out there. If they did, we might get some kind of AWB + buyback + sunset law for getting rid of banned arms in possession (no inheritance or transfer). And more ATF to find characters like this.

                "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 11:04:32 PM PST

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              •  Anyone with the skills... (0+ / 0-)

                to successfully build an IED of the kinds described has the skills necessary to convert an AR-15 to fully automatic. It's not actually that hard if you know what you're doing and have a decent workshop.

                The .50 rifle, on the other hand, is almost certainly not convertible. The kinds that civilians can get their hands on are almost entirely bolt-action (and thus not convertible to automatic no matter what), with the exception of two types that I know of: the Barrett M107A1 (and its older model, the M82A1) and the Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf. The Barrett is a long-range semi-automatic rifle using the .50 BMG cartridge and has no manufactured automatic version. I haven't handled one myself, but I'd bet (given the size and power of the cartridge) that it would be almost impossible to convert it and likely to blow itself to pieces from the stress of firing even if someone figured it out.

                The Beowulf, on the other hand, just might be convertible, given that it's based almost entirely on the AR-15 platform and presumably has the same firing mechanism. Since it fires a cartridge based on the .50 Action Express (the kind used in the .50 Desert Eagle semi-auto pistol) it's only a medium velocity rifle for relatively short range and might be able to stand the stress of automatic fire. You'd need to be half-crazy to try it, but I think that the suspect in this case might qualify for that designation. Unlike most .50 rifles, which are made for extremely long-range shooting, the Beowulf is made for close-to-medium-range stopping power; thus the heavy-weight bullet at medium velocity that it fires. It will doubtless become a favorite of these anti-government nuts, since one of its most touted characteristics (by its manufacturer, no less) is that it can easily penetrate most body armor.

                Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory, tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. Sun Tzu The Art of War

                by Stwriley on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 07:23:49 AM PST

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                •  the '15 basically needs a new sear (0+ / 0-)

                  in the lower receiver, and a (stronger, slightly differently machined) sear pin to control it correctly.

                  LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

                  by BlackSheep1 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:46:38 AM PST

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          •  I thought the Fort was in Golden (1+ / 0-)
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            just like Briarwood.

            Remember the radio jingle? "Eat some buffaler steak and have a good time, come up to the Fort tonight". (yes, the jingle pronounced it "buffaler").

            From one Columbine Rebel to one Wheat Ridge Farmer.

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            by RockyMtnLib on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 07:34:05 PM PST

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            •  My kids were Green Mountain Rams :) (1+ / 0-)
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              This is the first page.

              http://www.bing.com/...

              I would not doubt there is something similar in Golden. The radio jingle is not ringing any bells (ha ;).

              Got a gift certificate to Briarwood one year, went for Mothers Day. It was good. Wouldn't pay those prices out of my pocket.

              "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

              by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 11:16:29 PM PST

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        •  Ps (2+ / 0-)
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          Wasted away a lot of stoned evenings at Red Rocks concerts.  Greatest outdoor facility I know for musical events.

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:04:11 PM PST

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        •  The post office calls it Morrison, but it's really (7+ / 0-)

          unincorporated Jefferson County.  It's just off the Quincy and Simms intersection (I used to live less than a half mile away).  Still lots of people, and if you click on the 9news.com link I provided in another comment, you'll see he lived next to a playground.

          A slight side note - my house there was shot in the middle of one night by large pellets fired by a shotgun - probably from half a mile away over a field and some intervening houses.  An accident, I'm sure, but a house on the edge of the field had some pellets hit it that penetrated the wall of the bedroom, just missing a young kid sleeping there.  Yes, some of the people in that area are very scary.

          •  Hi Tim, I started a casual comment before (3+ / 0-)
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            checking the link. Clarification comment above. This is pretty interesting (once you get past horrifying) since it adds to the growing exposure of daily gun violence and deaths by the media with what else is out there, right next to suburban play grounds.

            Your side note isn't slight IMHO. Goes right with the dudes who were firing an AK in a neighborhood last week and several bullets went into homes in another neighborhood, then ricocheted around inside. This has been going on in poor neighborhoods because of gang wars. "Coming soon to YOUR suburban neighborhood. Not the gangsters, just neighbors afraid of the gangsters."

            One other reality check for the Rambo wannabes. The picture used in the media reports was from Google. What do they think the government cameras can get? Some understand pieces like that. Really grasping the consequences of their imaginary actions? Limited upper cortex executive function capacity.

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:00:23 PM PST

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            •  I was thinking of the gunshot pellets (7+ / 0-)

              when we decided to put siding on our house in Denver.  I didn't tell anyone but part of my decision to use steel siding was seeing what happened with the vinyl siding when the slugs hit it from so far away.  I harbor no illusions that the thin steel will protect against a gun fired from close range, but I have some hope that if something is fired from a distance or at an angle, maybe it will bounce off.  

              Since we put up the siding I've learned that our neighbor across the cul de sac (an assistant US attorney) had gunshots fired either around his house or maybe even hit his house.  It was thought to be a gang action from the park behind him, and maybe not in anger, but no place is safe.

          •  Quincy and Simms: (2+ / 0-)
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            a few miles south is Chatfield HS.

            liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

            by RockyMtnLib on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 07:36:11 PM PST

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            •  Columbine is 9 miles east. nt (2+ / 0-)
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              "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

              by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 11:36:47 PM PST

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              •  I'm an alum Class of '88 (1+ / 0-)
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                liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

                by RockyMtnLib on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 08:24:04 AM PST

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                •  Son was a senior @ Green Mtn in '99 (0+ / 0-)

                  He had been varsity wrestler 3 years, knew the Columbine team. The GM prom was the following Sat. I was there as medical volunteer. Kids wore as much silver and blue as green and gold. These things have a wide effect. I had other exposures as field supervisor in that area for home care agency.

                  I am still dealing with the preliminary hearings for Holmes. Know some of the UCH staff who cared for the victims taken there. And the RWNJs who are convinced Obama and the libruls are coming for ALL their guns.

                  Need to go find a pootie diary...

                  "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                  by Ginny in CO on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 11:22:47 AM PST

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