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  •  He has transformed our national identity. (7+ / 0-)

    We used to complain when the government illegally spied on us and abused human rights. Now we cheer as a progressive the man who has decided to assassinate Americans in total secrecy and who keeps men in Guantanamo that our own government says should be released.

    •  don't forget (7+ / 0-)

      Extending the non Patriot Act and the NDAA, dropping over 20,000 bombs from drones in over 6 countries.
      I agree. What was once unacceptable under Bush, there is no out cry from this community on Obama abuses.
      Plus no prosecutions of either war crimes or bank criminals.
      Plenty od whistle blower persecutions and shutting down States legal pot shops.

      America never needed so much in the last election and got so little.

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 08:08:30 PM PST

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    •  stop playing stupid (2+ / 0-)
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      you can argue that we shouldn't kill them until AFTER we prove in a court of law that they are traitors and terrorists


      but stop playing stupid by talking about them like you don't know with absolute certainty that they are guilty, cause you do

      that is just pure dishonesty

      you can argue that the President is not upholding our own laws that we decide for ourselves

      but fuck you for trying to paint him like he's the terrorist who killing innocent Americans

      fuck YOU

      Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?

      by AntonBursch on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 09:26:00 PM PST

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      •  That is the entire point of a trial (3+ / 0-)
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        to find out if they are guilty, otherwise there is a presumption of innocence. If you ignore that for some, it will get so much easier to ignore it for all.

        "We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

        by Mudderway on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:34:45 AM PST

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        •  And the current alternative to a trial... (0+ / 0-)

          The Pentagon a few months back admitted how they determined if a victim of a drone strike was an "enemy combatant."  

          If the dead body was a) male, and b) over the age of something like 16, then c) it was an enemy combatant.  

          Hurrah for robot death from above!  Why would any Pakistanis or Yemenis possibly be upset about our conduct?

        •  no shit (2+ / 0-)
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          but painting the president of the united states with the language used to paint an actual terrorist... secretly planning to assassinate Americans... is purely dishonest

          plenty of people make the argument that these people who have died should have been tried first and only killed if found guilty in court.  that's a valid honest argument to make.

          which is why i suspect that people talking about the President in that kind of language this commenter did don't actually care about Americans being killed, they care about terrorists being killed.  why?  who the fuck knows?  

          Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?

          by AntonBursch on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:46:26 AM PST

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