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  •  Worse than Watergate (12+ / 0-)

    I've often wondered if the partisanship in Washington can most easily be explained by simply drawing a straight line back to the Watergate Investigations and the impeachment of Richard Nixon.  It seems the GOP has been seeking retribution for that affront ever since.  Is there any doubt that Ken Starr, Whitewater and, ultimately the Lewinsky investigation were nothing more than payback for Whitewater and Iran-Conta?

    Had the Special Prosecutor/Independent Counsel not been allowed to expire, we would still be going through this.

    It is likely that a whole generation of young people are probably relatively unaware of how much of today's political environment is still shaped by Watergate.

    Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:02:08 AM PST

    •  worse than 9/11 (4+ / 0-)

      they have a lot of history to airbrush.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:11:55 AM PST

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    •  I had not thought of that but you make a good (4+ / 0-)

      point.  Even though they all pretended to not have known or supported Nixon after he resigned; they sure supported him prior to his resignation.

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      by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:13:23 AM PST

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    •  Some of them never got over the Civil War or (8+ / 0-)

      Watergate, Vietnam, and want to go back to the glory days of the McCarthy hearings.  They all thought they were McCarthy grilling Hillary and it backfired on them and badly.

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      by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:15:45 AM PST

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    •  Remember during Obama's first term (11+ / 0-)

      how many things were going to be "Obama's Watergate" or "Obama's Katrina"?
      Benghazi is Obama's Watergate.
      The murder of the border patrol agents (Fast and Furious).

      Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), June 2012:
      Alleged national security leaks from the Obama White House are "worse than Watergate."
      Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), May 2010:
      An e-mail from Rep. Darrell Issa's (R-Calif.) campaign suggested Wednesday that the controversy over Rep. Joe Sestak's (D-Pa.) alleged administration job offer could be President Barack Obama's Watergate scandal. [Issa sent] an e-mail with the subject line "The Sestak Affair - Obama's Watergate?"
      Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), November 2011:
      Bachmann made a striking accusation against the Obama administration, presenting a severe conspiracy surrounding the government's involvement in the failed Solyndra solar power company. "It just stinks on every level. This makes Watergate look like child's play," Bachmann declared.
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      by skohayes on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:18:33 AM PST

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    •  I have stated this repeatedly. (11+ / 0-)

      The right had to drum up hero Reagan to have an icon to adore.  The Dems have the best and most influential Presidents, the most game changing legislation.  The Dems have shaped the country and the right burns with the knowledge.  Nixon's disgrace put them over the edge.  And now we have the paybacks for their self centered, immature emmotional developement.

      Everyone! Arms akimbo!

      by tobendaro on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:19:45 AM PST

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      •  Yes Exactly !!! They have Reagan and we have (5+ / 0-)

        FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton, Obama and more.  

        They have Reagan and then ............no one else. They had Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt but both would be Democrats today..no doubt about that when you look at their policies.  Teddy was about trust busting and conservation  of our natural resources, national parks and more.

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        by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:33:13 AM PST

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        •  Eisenhower.... (1+ / 0-)
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          not a bad guy.  

          You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

          by murrayewv on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:45:23 AM PST

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        •  Reagan too would be Democrat (1+ / 0-)
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          "Reagan Democrats" helped Reagan into the White House, and just like all those other historical precedents Reagan is being viewed as being too liberal to pass muster with today's conservatives. He is only an icon, something to rally around at this point.  No one wants to seriously discuss what he actually DID.

          This seems to be a routine for GOP and conservative thought.  The Party of Lincoln, indeed!

          •  I think Reagan (3+ / 0-)

            would run straight to the right.  He is the reason they operate the way they do.  He brought the propaganda and marketing of a Hollywood movie into politics.  The manipulation and scamming as political speak, the expert propaganda meant to get the ire up of enough people that it begins to spread like a wildfire is all Reagan.  He, imo, enjoyed the power of his acting. He could see how to sway the country.  It didn't matter what he was suggesting or pushing for, it was the power of the push that interested him.

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            by tobendaro on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 06:16:25 AM PST

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            •  Agreed, Reagan was a union buster, union basher , (0+ / 0-)

              and he would not be a friend to the LGBT community, that is for sure. And he was anti women too as he would always be shouting about pro life too.  

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              by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 06:31:17 PM PST

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        •  You should probably take JFK off that list. (0+ / 0-)

          Quite a few historians are now revealing that he was not a good President by and large. And actually not a very good man either.

          For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

          by Anne Elk on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 07:10:55 AM PST

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          •  I'm not sure I'd put Clinton on that list, (3+ / 0-)
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            if we're talking "heroes" of either the political or personal variety.

            Clinton was a competent POTUS and a very smart man, but many of this policies are not policies I embrace.

            But he's a brilliant political speaker.

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 08:03:41 AM PST

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            •  All Presidents are failures (0+ / 0-)

              in one sense or another, because they are all imperfect humans. I single out JFK primarily because of the uncritical adoration, a kind of secular canonization, accorded him by many Democrats. When you read the truth about the Cuban missile crisis, you shudder. That one incident led to a profound distortion of US foreign policy that we are still paying for. Clinton was never the object of such deification by the public; we were all - even his admirers - always aware of his imperfections.  

              For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

              by Anne Elk on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 12:25:42 PM PST

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            •  Clinton had some positives despite doing some (0+ / 0-)

              things that were not progressive at all.  

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              by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 06:32:53 PM PST

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          •  JFK is still in or just outside the top ten (1+ / 0-)
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            of compilations of lists by historians.

            •  That's a shame. (0+ / 0-)

              When you read about his administration more objectively, you can become dis-enthralled. His Presidency was as much a myth as Camelot. That a charming, handsome man should be murdered is a tragedy, but that doesn't make him a great President. Strip away the myth and you find a man who made some blunders that nearly got us into nuclear war.

              For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

              by Anne Elk on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 12:29:13 PM PST

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              •  I still like him and I tend to believe those who (0+ / 0-)

                were there with him during the Cuban Missile Crisis and remember LBJ furthered and got passed the Kennedy Civil Rights act that he was preparing. JFK gave that famous speech, the first President to do so, about equality for blacks and civil rights.  That is why the south hated him so much ..and even more than before.

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                by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 06:34:35 PM PST

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          •  I give him credit for Cuban Missile Crisis, while (0+ / 0-)

            his advisors all wanted him to go to war with Cuba and thus, Russia ...he refused to do so.  He instead listened to Bobby and remained calm and rational.

            I give Kennedy credit for keeping us from WWIII,.

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            by wishingwell on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 06:32:15 PM PST

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