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  •  yes, yes, yes, we know . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    Laconic Lib

    Libertarians don't like the EU.  (yawn--libertarians don't like ANYTHING)

    But the European powers have not fought a war with each other for almost 70 years now---something that has happened before . . .  well . .  never.

    The EU did what it set out to do.  Sorry if you don't like it. (shrug)

    •  I'm pro-democracy Dem, and EZ is anti-democracy (2+ / 0-)
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      hoplite9, psnyder

      I have no problem at all with the European Union, as there's no material difference between the 27-member EU and NAFTA.

      I do have a huge problem with the European Zone, as it is anti-democratic.

      And worse, the architects of the EZ knew this 20 years ago.  The realized that the only way the EZ could work is through a United States of Europe.  The didn't have public support for it then, so they gambled that by the time a crisis forced their hand, that Germans and Greeks would consider themselves more "European" than Germans and Greeks.

      Well, two decades have passed, and, on the contrary, Germans and Greeks are more nationalistic today than they were two decades ago.  They have no interest in a United States of Europe.

      But the "small group of far sighted statesmen" can't take "no" for an answer.  So they will attempt to impose a United States of Europe, regardless of the will of the voters.

      Some democracy.

      Am I a libertarian?

      I despise Peter Thiel and his pipe dream of a city-state off the Bay Area.

      That's how much of a libertarian I am.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

      by PatriciaVa on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 01:23:21 PM PST

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      •  it's no different than the USA (0+ / 0-)

        The US Constitution was never put to a popular vote.  (shrug)

        The EZ countries all went in with open eyes.  They knew what they were getting into and what the final goal was.

      •  Some well argued points, (2+ / 0-)
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        PatriciaVa, psnyder


        "...on the (catch a) human network. Cisco."

        by hoplite9 on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 03:39:24 PM PST

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      •  Umm, the whole point of the Eurozone is to ape US (0+ / 0-)

        - didn't you know?  They've been trying to make for themselves a more stable and functional version of OUR economic system.

        Do you ACTUALLY think WE are better or smarter than THEY?  OR did Europe just have no real idea how screwed-up we've made things...not just for ourselves, but for every nation that figured the same thing was TO APE US??

        Pertinent historical footnote:  Since the middle of the old 'cold' war, we have helped nearly every 'newly-independent nation' write a full set of corporate loopholes into their constitutions.

        Yes, that means that we have enshrined our own taker system into the governments of the world.  Mighty sweet deal for the wealthy and powerful!

        Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
        Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

        by chmood on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 05:12:14 AM PST

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