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    Calamity Jean

    I think you are spot on that we should be throwing up nuclear power plants as fast as possible.  Reality demands it.

    1) Tesla is now building cars at middle class price points.  They needed the rich guys to get the company off the ground
    2) A growing proportion of cars are in fact zero emission, and a great number are also more efficient hybrids.  THe date was wrong, but the trend is there.
    3) the pitiful amount of money "thrown" at renewables is trivial compared to the vast sums thrown at fossil fuel development.   And for that money we now have a range of technologies which are dropping in price very fast and increasing in efficiency.  Renewable is goingup in California at an exponential rate now.  A great deal of progress has been stopped dead by opposition from competing industries.

    FOr someone with a fairly loose relationship to the actual facts, you might want to refrain from calling anyone else ignorant.

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 09:00:53 AM PST

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      Sharon Wraight

      I'm quite have a very, very, very, very, very, very, very different view of who is unaquainted with what is and is not a "fact."

      In fact, I'm quite sure that I'm dealing with yet another clueless bourgeois brat.

      Bourgeois brat statement number #1:

      Tesla is manufacturing cars for middle class price points.

      How about we check the Tesla website for, um, price points:

      Model S Prices

      Now maybe in the privileged life that I associate with many of the clueless "renewables will save us" anti-nukes that I encounter, new cars ranging between $52,000 (for a car that they haven't even started to produce) and $87,000 is a "middle class price point" but it's certainly not a price point accessible for the vast majority of Americans, many of whom drive Chevy's and Hondas and Toyotas etc that cost half as much.

      In any case the highly subsidized billionaires at Tesla seem not to make very many cars at all:     In 2012, they made just 3,383 units of their expensive garbage.

      Only someone who is completely divorced from the scale and reality of climate change, could imagine that this is even remotely related to anything having to addressing it.

      Once again - self declared "fact" stater - there are one billion cars on this planet.    How many more fucking years do you think we should bet the planetary atmosphere on these doodlebug piece of shit billionaires getting their act together.

      Finally, I have never met a single example of a "renewables will save us" wishful thinker who can do math.   Zero.   None.

      I actually open the spreadsheet provided by the State of California for its energy sources regularly, as an exercise in stupidity checking.

      Here is the webpage at which one can find the link for all of California's electrical energy generation, nuclear, dangerous fossil fuels, hydroelectricity, and the expensive solar and wind scam they've been running as a fig leaf for their dependence on dangerous natural gas:

      California Energy Almanac


      The liars who seek to lecture me on facts are very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very bad at comparing numbers, but I think it will be clear to almost anyone who is not an anti-nuke that last year, a quarter of a century after dumbells caused the cloture of Rancho Seco saying that California could easily replace all of its nuclear plants with renewable energy, that renewable energy has not once, ever, matched the output of California's nuclear plants.

      Zero times.

      It's also very clear that you don't have the faintest clue of what an exponential function is.   No suprise there.   Like I said, the bourgeois brats in the "renewables will save us" industry can't do math:    In 1997, California produced 21,200 GWh of electricity from geothermal, wind, solar and biomass combined.

      In 2011, 14 years later 27,113 GWh from the same sources.

      During this time period, in a State with one of the worst public school systems in the country, a State always teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, the state threw billions of dollars at renewable energy scams.

      The difference between 27,113 GWh and 21,200GWh is 5,913 GWh.   There are 24*365.25 = 8766 hours in a year.

      It follows that the 14 year increase in magical renewable energy, despite sucking billions upon billions of bucks out of the pockets of the poor, the students, the sick, the elderly who government money might have helped, the renewable energy industry built the equivalent of a 675 MW powerplant.

      Heckuva a job.   You must be very, very, very, very, very, very, very proud.

      Excuse me if I decline to credit your lecture on the subject of facts as being reality based.

      What you call "liberalism" and what I call liberalism are very different things, I think.    You're apparently, I would guess, one of those Tortilla Curtain types, very smug when discussing a subject, the environment, you know nothing about.

      Have a great week!

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