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  •  I disagree... (2+ / 0-)
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    Their latest "action" is nothing but pure retaliation against the government for "forcing" someone to take his own life. So now they not only expose, but they decided they can "punish".  And do it indiscriminately on top of that.

    That at least IMHO is where they have now completely jumped the shark, in terms of moral high ground.

    I will give A.S. props for being public about what he did, unlike anonymous. I wish he would have chose to stay and fight but he didn't. His suicide says more about him than our flawed legal system IMHO, but I understand the amount of forward thinking and brilliance that was lost, and the pain that the loss has caused to other people.

    But it was his choice to take that away from the rest of us, not the government. And it was the government who essentially gave is the internet and the freedom to use or manipulate it as we see fit for the most part.

    I think anonymous does not have the right to interfere with the government we have democratically elected, and is wrong in doing so just because they have the capability

    Are they all/any US citizens?  I would ask those in the US who support anonymous if they feel its OK for people outside the US to hack our government sites.

    And even if we have allowed OUR government to be influenced by the corporations, I would honestly rather we take it back at the ballot box and via organization by and of millions of people who show their faces (OWS) than whatever anonymous decides fighting back should be and against what targets, on any given day. This is not progress and change, its electronically slashing tires at a government parking lot...

    •  The problem here (9+ / 0-)

      is that while the actions of Anonymous may be indiscriminate .... no one else is prepared to punish those who should bear responsibility, and I find it hard to condemn anyone drawing attention to it.

      If it were just this one case ....

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 12:00:55 AM PST

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      •  Who should be punished for what exactly? (1+ / 0-)
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        And how do you know it is not happening. Can you be more specific?

        Who elected Anonymous the punisher? What about accountability? Oh that's right there is NONE with Anonymous. What happens if/when somebody goes "rogue" in this group with some info they hacked, then what?

        •  Then... (12+ / 0-)

          We're not much deeper in shit than we already are with the current state of our "democratically elected government."

          Anon is a collective entity that works by consensus, if I understand them correctly.

          They aren't sentencing anybody to jail or anything.

          So far they've been exposing pedos, high school rapists, protesting fracking/tar sands, have successfully run-off the Westboro Baptist Church from protesting at funerals, and the list goes on.

          So right now, I personally put more weight in what they ARE accomplishing that the government isn't, than I put in some paranoid fear of them turning to the dark side someday.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 04:20:03 AM PST

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    •  Have you ever done any prison time? (15+ / 0-)
      His suicide says more about him than our flawed legal system IMHO
      Our Government(s) run the largest systematic institutionalized system of torture the world has seen in the post war era.

      Several million men live every day subject to random beatings, murder, and rape in hells that are viewed in Europe the same way Mexican or Venezualian prisons are viewed here.

      The conditions are horrific, and they're all the worse (as Manning could tell you, if he ever gets out) when people in power have an interest in breaking you.

      Suicide is not always an irrational choice.

      This is not, btw, "slashing tires".  This is grabbing the files.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

      by JesseCW on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 12:47:29 AM PST

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      •  No I have not done prison time (2+ / 0-)
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        But many people have as you point out. The vast majority do not kill themselves in prison, or prior to that at time of conviction, or prior to that during the trial process, or prior to going to trial.

        And I am talking about what Anon is doing, its the internet equivalent of theft actually, if we go by "grabbing files".

        And I have had my personal info stolen by a person/persons who did so to use it as hostage/show how weak the security is for a certain company (you know good intentions and all). Have you had your personal info stolen?

        •  A man has a 25% chance of being raped his first (7+ / 0-)

          24 hours in lock-up.

          That's guys who aren't being targeted for pay back by a Government irate about their activism.

          That's the reality he was facing.

          Are you entirely unable to distinguish between Persons, who have a right to privacy, and Governments, which only have illegitimate efforts to maintain secrecy?

          "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

          by JesseCW on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 03:45:59 AM PST

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        •  And your point is? (6+ / 0-)

          Maybe he knew he couldn't defend himself for 30 seconds.   Maybe he knew he would spend 30 years being a prison bitch.   Sorry he didn't live up to your standards on how tough and brave he should in the face of a life time of abuse and torture.   How long would you last in jail?

          Having your personal ID stolen has nothing to do with this.   NOTHING. I can steal your diamond ring to finance a trip to a spa, or I can stead your grocery cart to feed my family.  They are both stealing, so according to you, enough said.    

          If you think your comment is cogent, I don't see it.  

          What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

          by dkmich on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 04:37:34 AM PST

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        •  Excuse me? The files (4+ / 0-)

          belong to us. You know, "we the people" without whom there is no government, and through whom [legitimate] governments are empowered and/or disempowered.

          No, we don't need to know all the details of all the files, which is why Anonymous will be heavily redacting them prior to release to media, which will no doubt redact them further. I am not afraid to get a clear idea of what our government's up to in the area of judicial oppression of the people. It certainly looks like the government is terrified of us. I find that... fascinating.

      •  I did one night with Cornel West and 18 other (8+ / 0-)

        prisoners the weekend the MLK memorial was dedicated (?).

        Overnight, we were not "in population" and the conditions were still horrible. We were shuffled around from location location four times. No food and water and we were reduced to using an open toilet in a corner of the cell. All surfaces were cement and freezing. Most of the night I could not fall asleep quick enough before I had to get back up and move around to increase my body temp.

        The next day we were in population, and that was even less comfortable, especially since none of us had had any real sleep. I cannot imagine living under those conditions for an extended period of time.

        The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

        by Words In Action on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 09:02:38 AM PST

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      •  I have interviewed (3+ / 0-)

        for a job as a prison nurse.  That was enough for me.      

        "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

        by NancyWH on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:52:13 AM PST

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