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  •  ironic that the gun dealer can track (8+ / 0-)

    using his records, but ATF, etc., are not allowed to track.

    why not treat guns like cars. Each one has to be followed and insured, and whoever owns one is responsible for paperwork on transfer.

    Protections for sellers who notify against buyers who do not... Protections for those whose guns are stolen, as well, just as car owners are not responsible for any accidents in which a stolen car is involved.

    There will be some who evade, but the vast majority will not, and that will reduce the universe that is monitored. Only those trying to evade will be subjects of investigation - and after all, those evaders are likely to be the miscreants anyhow.

    "There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires." - President Obama

    by fhcec on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:19:57 AM PST

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    •  Marketing Companies Probably Know What He Bought (3+ / 0-)
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      There are probably detailed records of what he bought for the purpose of selling him more stuff.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:24:52 AM PST

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    •  ATF (2+ / 0-)
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      has access to the records, but since they aren't online they would have to call them up or visit the store in person.

      And, more importantly, know which records to look for.

      the purpose of the second amendment is to promote a well-regulated militia, in the same sense that the purpose of the first amendment is to promote a well-informed electorate.

      by happymisanthropy on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 12:43:44 PM PST

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    •  Because that involves registration. (0+ / 0-)

      And registration is a prerequisite for confiscation.

      If you want to catch traffickers (who are a small part of the problem), use the tax code.  Require sellers to report their volume data while keeping inventory data under pain of prosecution.  If you have a crime gun, and you have probable cause to investigate the last legitimate buyer regardless of his sales.  If you don't, you can make a financial case for probable cause that the last legitimate owner is acting as an unlicensed dealer by comparing his reported income against his actual financials, in which case you can get a warrant to audit his personal records and inventory.

      Or is there any reason why we can't protect people's Fourth Amendment rights while stamping out gun violence?

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