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  •  I think this subject is far more interesting (4+ / 0-)

    than people give it credit for.  part of that is political: I typically won't acknowledge its depth around my righty family members because I want to present a viewpoint that ostracizes any opposition to marriage equality as patently bigoted and beyond the pale.

    but, I think this is something we can discuss in quiet rooms (thanks, mitt, for the expression!  I adore it!) and in safe spaces.

    so, that out of the way, note that you're presupposing a particular view of marriage as a "private space" whose contours ans contents are to be determined exclusively by the two participants.  we can agree with that while also noting that that's a substantive view of marriage that is also contestable.  absent from your definition are things like monogamy, children, etc, which have historically been hallmarks of marriage.  I've been a huge Dan Savage fan for ages, and one thing that I find interesting is his project of normalizing sex with other partners (whether on ones own or as part of swinging)

    and I think we can agree with that project while also noting that its not insane or unreasonable to think that marriage as social construct ought not to be whatever the two partners agree to, such that it can encompass things like multiple partners.

    at any rate, I've drone on enough.  much more interesting topic conceptually, IMHO, than it is typically credited with.

    •  ah, well at least you're thinking about it, the (2+ / 0-)
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      FloridaSNMOM, SilentBrook

      private space idea is something I don't see marriage equality opponents talking about much, but it seems pretty important.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 04:44:51 PM PST

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    •  Yes, BECAUSE "marriage" is a cultural artifact .. (1+ / 0-)
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      At one time and in most places "marriage" was a means of converting "maidens" into "wives."  Same sex marriage was then  unthinkable because "few women could afford a wife, and no man would lower himself to being one."

      Since women became fully empowered and participating citizens ... in developed Western cultures at least ...  the subject has gotten a lot more complex and interesting than when The Institution existed primarily to arrange for the orderly distribution of property between families and across generations.

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