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  •  Don't take "support" at face value (6+ / 0-)

    This failed because Democratic senators wanted it to fail. But it got a lot of "support" because Democratic voters wanted it to pass. The senators who didn't express support were those who could survive it politically: People with a ton of seniority and people from red states who Dems aren't going to primary. What a neat trick. This was never going to happen.

    •  Massive accusation of bad faith (2+ / 0-)
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      SoCalSal, alain2112

      I hope you realize what you are claiming. You are accusing, based on no evidence, of a couple dozen senators straight up lying to their colleagues and the thousands of activists they talked with about filibuster reform.

      I really dislike over the top accusations of that sort, especially when they are based on no evidence. Of course, people here and elsewhere make them all the time.

      •  that's because we see this rotating villain BS (7+ / 0-)

        all the time. hell, we saw it in CA when we got a democratic governor, and suddenly lots of things that passed easily with a safe GOP veto in place suddenly failed to get a majority.

        it's a con, and supermajority chambers where votes can be avoided with procedural BS is a perfect place to play the game. watch the CA state leg to suddenly fall just short with its new supermajority, now that they don't have the GOP to scapegoat for choosing between their donors and their voters.

      •  Blanche Lincoln and the EFCA? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        Rick Aucoin

        the purpose of the second amendment is to promote a well-regulated militia, in the same sense that the purpose of the first amendment is to promote a well-informed electorate.

        by happymisanthropy on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 01:49:56 PM PST

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      •  I got a canned letter back from Feinstein... (4+ / 0-)

        ...that stated she was pro-reform, but based on what I've seen here and elsewhere, it seems right that my BS meter was off the charts upon reading it. Not unexpected for Feinstein.

        I'm more disappointed with Boxer.

      •  Yes, for crying out loud, politicians can lie. (3+ / 0-)
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        3goldens, Rick Aucoin, mightymouse

        Don't pretend this is new to you or that saying it out loud is scandalous. There's the narrative that politicians present to the public, and there's the reality behind the scenes.

        Now, read "Why filibuster reform died":

        •  That article doesn't support your claim (0+ / 0-)

          The article you link doesn't even mention your basic that two or three dozen Dem senators were just brazenly lying to each other, filibuster reform advocates, and the public about their support for the talking filibuster.

          There is simply no evidence for that.

      •  Respectfully, Chris, (2+ / 0-)
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        Rick Aucoin, mightymouse

        go ask your "anonymous sources close to the fight, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt" what the truth is, the anonymous truth, of course, and report it back to us.

        I don't frankly give a damn if Dianne Feinstein and all the other ultra-wealthy Democratic corporatists in the Senate get their fee-fees hurt being called on the carpet as liars. Tell ya what, I find it a hell of a lot easier to believe that folks like our beloved Senator Baucus told the nattering nabobs otherwise known as the constituency exactly what we wanted to hear, then returned to the hallowed halls of the Senate to continue "earning" his pay and preparing his lobbyist position when he- finally- departs.

        But if you know anything more, go ahead and get us some unsourced apologias and we'll all feel better.

        •  Not about Baucus or Feinstein (0+ / 0-)

          The commenter is calling all of the 47 Dems who supported the talking filibuster liars. The claim being made is that no Democrats supported filibuster reform, and the 47 who said they were, including Merkley and Udall, were all lying about it in order to fool silly little people like you and me.

          The only people who the commenter implies were telling the truth were the eight opponents, such as Baucus and Feinstein.

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